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petersonra

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Long chat with the tech support guy at a name brand automation company this morning.

Long and short of it is a customer bought a switch rated for div 2 that ended up being installed in a div 1 area. Not a big deal, just add an IS barrier - right?

Tech support suggested a part number to customer for IS barrier. I look for wiring diagram. The only documentation they have shows it hooked to a Namur sensor, and nothing in the document says you can hook it to dry contacts.

Tech support says Namur is considered a simple device so you can use barrier with any simple device. I say - where does it say that in the manufacturers documentation. Tech support says - you can google simple device. I say - google is not manufacturer.

Am I being too an^l about the control drawing requirement?
 
I may be proven wrong, but I would think if it's listed and labeled for Div II, nothing you do (other than a field UL {NRTL} inspection) is going to change that and thus it would remain unacceptble.
 
augie47 said:
I may be proven wrong, but I would think if it's listed and labeled for Div II, nothing you do (other than a field UL {NRTL} inspection) is going to change that and thus it would remain unacceptble.
Thats why I found a substitute part that actually came with documentation that showed it worked with namur and dry contacts. My suspicion is that they just forgot to show it on the drawing.
 
augie47 said:
I may be proven wrong, but I would think if it's listed and labeled for Div II, nothing you do (other than a field UL {NRTL} inspection) is going to change that and thus it would remain unacceptble.

If it is a simple mechanical switch then the addition of an IS barrier would make it acceptable in a Division 1 location. Of course the device itself wouldn't had to have a Division 2 rating, it could have been an ordinary device.

If it is an electronic 'switch' as in inductive 'limit switch' the whole game changes.
 
weressl said:
If it is a simple mechanical switch then the addition of an IS barrier would make it acceptable in a Division 1 location. Of course the device itself wouldn't had to have a Division 2 rating, it could have been an ordinary device.

If it is an electronic 'switch' as in inductive 'limit switch' the whole game changes.
I am not sure how they cam to pick the switch. My guess is someone decided they needed an XP switch and they went and ordered one, not realizing the non-obvious intricacies of the situation.
 
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