Ideal 1050 NM Romex Cable Top Hat Crimp Connectors

[frankft2000]

I encountered some of these on Friday. I had never seen them before. Basically a nm cable crimp connector. I know they are kinda a pain in the butt to remove. Anybody else come across these?

http://www.goodmart.com/products/ideal-1050-nm-romex-cable-connector-1-2-inch.htm

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I hope I never do come across them. :thumbsdown: What a dumb idea. Do you need a special tool to use for this?

 

[Sierrasparky]

Yep they be a pain in the butt.
Cannot belive they are still available. I guess I should buy some to fool the inspector that something has been installed always. These along with a new 1970's roll of wire will do just the fine. :thumbsup:

 

[Ponchik]

i think i have seen these before and if my memory serves me correctly they were pain to remove.

 

[USMC1302]

I was just asking some people if they ever saw those! My dad has those scattered throughout his house. Guess they were quick to install, but how would you ever remove them? He had some drywall damage so I was helping him patch, and took one out as a souvenir.

 

[mivey]

Guess they were quick to install, but how would you ever remove them?

Dykes & lineman's.

 

[USMC1302]

True, if you have the cable exposed, that's exactly what I did. But looking at the "top hat" from inside the box?

 

[hurk27]

many times if you get lucky they haven't been crimped all the way and I use my channel locks to squeeze them back open enough to slide the cable out of it, but also I have a small pair of steal cable cutters that do a nice job of splitting them back open if they have been crimped all the way, very common to find in track houses around here built in the "70's" and early "80's"

 

[John120/240]

Pardon my ignorance, what is the intended application for these top hats ? Today I would use

Arlingtion's black button or T & B 3201 connector for Romex (circle r ) enterering an panel.

 

[USMC1302]

Thanks Hurk. Our house was built in 1960, and seems to have a little of this and that thrown in. We have home movies(8MM) of my dad climbing the pole to hook-up the service(worked for NIPSCO back in those days).

 

[hurk27]

Pardon my ignorance, what is the intended application for these top hats ? Today I would use

Arlington's black button or T & B 3201 connector for Romex (circle r ) entering an panel.

Yes they were nothing more than what some would call a production type design to be able to terminate NM cable in box's and cabinets faster, I myself use the Arlington push in type and have been very satisfied with them, and at least they are easily removed, unlike these top hats.

Thanks Hurk. Our house was built in 1960, and seems to have a little of this and that thrown in. We have home movies(8MM) of my dad climbing the pole to hook-up the service(worked for NIPSCO back in those days).

I think NIPSCO even dabbled into wiring houses back in those days, along with selling appliances, I have run across a few houses with a QC tag from NIPSCO

 

[wireman]

So these are for connecting romex cables in boxes?

From the picture I thought they were like the T&B PT-70s crimp connectors. (http://www.tnb.com/ps/fulltilt/index.cgi?part=PT70 ). Now those were a PIA to use.

Learn something everyday.

 

[K8MHZ]

So these are for connecting romex cables in boxes?

From the picture I thought they were like the T&B PT-70s crimp connectors. (http://www.tnb.com/ps/fulltilt/index.cgi?part=PT70 ). Now those were a PIA to use.

Learn something everyday.

You think PT's are a pain to use? I sure don't. We only use them on the grounding conductors. They are quick and take up less space than a wire nut. I can get them back off with side cutters and the crimp tool. The side cutters make a partial cut and a score so when the crimper is used 'against the grain' the PT splits at the cutter score. Every once in a while, you don't need the crimper, but to be sure you don't cut a conductor, scoring is a better method.

The type (brand) of crimper you use can make all the difference in the world. Sta-kon is my favorite.

 

[gndrod]

PIA?

PIA?

So these are for connecting romex cables in boxes?

From the picture I thought they were like the T&B PT-70s crimp connectors. (http://www.tnb.com/ps/fulltilt/index.cgi?part=PT70 ). Now those were a PIA to use.

Learn something everyday.

The Professional's T&B PT70 (Ideal & GB #410's) are superior to wire connector bonding with less product cost, box fill and ease of re-bonding an EGC for switch or receptacle. Adding another bonding conductor is easy by crimping another sleeve together onto the existing EGC.

 

[mivey]

We only use them on the grounding conductors.

Me too. Big'uns and littl'uns.

The type (brand) of crimper you use can make all the difference in the world. Sta-kon is my favorite.

I use my Klein crimpers. Have to be careful with the snip to not catch any wires though.