Ideal Connector Recall

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tkb

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I was told by Graybar and confirmed it with Ideal, there is a recall of the Ideal In-Sure push-in connectors 30-012, 30-013, & 30-014.

I was told by Ideal that the ones made in USA do not meet their quality standards.

They want me to return the ones that I have on hand to be replaced by ones manufactured in China.

Has anyone had any problems with these connectors?
I only use them for ballast replacement and fixture connections, not for general splicing.

Maybe time to try Wago Wall-Nuts.


Item ID: 30-013

Name: In-Sure? Push-In 3-Port (Box of 100)
Features: No-twist connection
Low insertion force for fast,easy application
Accepts #18 to #12 AWG Solid wire
Accepts Stranded #12 AWG (19 strand or less)
#14 AWG (19 strand or less)
#16 AWG (26 strand or less)
#18 AWG (16 strand or less)
Clear shell makes connection easy to inspect
UL Listed and CSA Certified
Rated to 600V maximum
Shell rated to 105? C
 
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These are the guys, I think, Halo is using? I don't use Halo much anymore. I have too many problems with excessive trim cost and lack of quality.
 
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It just goes to show you.....

ALWAYS twist your wires
and
USE Ideals' WingNuts
 
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ALWAYS twist your wires
Not always. You can make a proper splice without pretwisting. I do all the time.

USE Ideals' WingNuts
Hmmm....did Ideal pay you to say that? ;) I'm an Ideal guy myself, but Gardner Bender and 3M make darned good connectors too.
 
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Originally posted by tkb:

I was told by Ideal that the ones made in USA do not meet their quality standards.

They want me to return the ones that I have on hand to be replaced by ones manufactured in China.
How sad is this? :( :confused:
 
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Did you call Ideal? I looked on their website and did some searches, but couldn't find any information.
 
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I just through out a whole box GB winged reds (I don't like winged to begin with) because they would not grab the wire about 80% of the time. Now I'm scared to buy GB. :(
 
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Hmmm....did Ideal pay you to say that?
Not a dime, I just agree with physis :)

I just through out a whole box BRAND XX winged reds (I don't like winged to begin with) because they would not grab the wire about 80% of the time. Now I'm scared to buy BRAND XX
(edited to delete specific brand name)

[ December 08, 2004, 10:54 PM: Message edited by: msd ]
 
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It's GB.

You make and sell it, you accept the commentary regarding it's value.

I would hope my complaining causes their product to improve instead of what it's been doing. I used to recommend them.
 
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Yes I called Ideal. They gave me their UPS account # for the returns.
Ideal doesn't even list these on their website. If you do a search by part number you can get to the data sheets for these parts.

I agree that it is very sad for USA when parts made in China are a higher quality.

[ December 09, 2004, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: tkb ]
 
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Sam,

Why aren't the GB winged reds grabbing? :confused:


While we are on the subject, Ideal still hasn't solved the problem of the stress whitening and distorting on the Twister. The GB's are superior to Ideal in this regard.
 
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Peter, I don't why they're not working right.

I can tell you what "my" problem was.

When the spring engages the conductors it begins to slip in the plastic at what I guess to be a couple inch pounds. The accuracy of my estimate may be off but if I put it in terms of a percentage I would say these nuts were on average getting less than 10% of the grab I'm used to.

I'm thinking maybe this kind of looseness is meant for the wire nuts used with drills. But then what's with the wings?

I think that's a destructive meathod anyway. I've reparied more than a few installations where the clutch was too tight and the conductors and or insulation was destroyed.

I'm sorry if I sound a little gruf. But these things are getting more expensive all the time and I'd just like to see the quality at least stay the same.

:(
 
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Sam,

I understand now. :)

I have had similar problems with the GB's too, namely the springs falling out before I even take the connector out of the container!! Although this only happened to a few in a jug of 400, it was more than I was comfortable with. :eek:

The GB standard yellow "wire nut" is also afflicted with this problem.
 
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I am goning to close this post. I have at home an email from an Ideal product manager to Mike Holt, Ideal has not recalled this product. The moderators may be able to follow up on how this got started.
 
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After consultation with the other Moderators, I am going to re-open this post to add one more comment. Then I will close it again. The following is the email message to which Tom referred. It comes from the QA Director of Ideal Industries.

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Good morning, Mr. Holt. The young lady with whom I spoke at your office this morning indicated you are traveling today. I hope your trip was successful and the flights uneventful.

One of our loyal end-user customers in the state of Washington forward to us yesterday a link to a message board at www.mikeholt.com, the title/topic of which is "Ideal Connector Recall". There are some statements included within the discussion that are simply not accurate. We wanted to contact you today to relate precisely what we have done and are doing relative to our In-Sure line of push-in wire connectors, correct some misstatements made about our push-in connectors, and address what appears to be a misunderstanding about one of the design features of our Twister connectors, We hope that after you review our comments, the facts of the matter can be shared with your readers and message board participants.

First of all, we have not and are not conducting a recall of our model 10-series In-Sure push-in wire connectors. Product recalls are conducted when a real or potential safety problem is found, and the product is recalled to prevent property damage or injury. Over the past several months, we have had some reports where our model 10-series In-Sure connectors did not perform to our customers' or our own expectations. These performance problems revolved solely around connectors used to install switches or outlets, that resulted in an open circuit within a short time after the circuit was energized and a load applied. In no case has there been any report of property damage, injury, or damage of any kind to anything other than the connector itself. Further, there have been no reports of product problems occurring after that short time following circuit energizing and load application. Therefore, to prevent any future customer dissatisfaction, we asked our electrical distributor partners to return to us any unsold product they have on their shelves and replace it with our 80-series In-Sure push-in connector models with which we have several years of trouble-free experience when installed by electrical contractors. We are in the process of enhancing the design of our 10-series In-Sure connectors to make them easier to install, more "forgiving" of variations in application technique, and more tolerant of variations in wire strip lengths. When these design improvements are complete and thoroughly tested, we will re-introduce these connectors to electrical contractors.

Second, no IDEAL twist-on or push-in connector sold in the U.S.A. is manufactured in China. IDEAL is indeed a world-wide company, and we do offer our products for sale in many countries around the world including China. This may be where the misinformation originated.

Finally, we are very proud of the design features of our model #341 Twister twist-on wire connector -- which happens to be the most popular twist-on connector in the world today. Our design allows us to offer a relatively small product, that fits into some tight constraints of older electrical device boxes, yet connects relative large wire bundles. One of those features that makes this possible is its ability to expand far beyond its original dimensions while maintaining safe and secure electrical insulating properties. This ability to expand is visually captured by the white markings that become visible when the connector is properly applied to large combinations. These marks, characterized by some as "stretch marks", are simply the further dispersion of the tan pigment in the plastic as the connector expands, and in no way compromise or even affect the electrical/mechanical integrity of the connection.

Thank you very much for your time and consideration of the facts relative to the comments posted on the aforementioned message board. Again, we hope that they can be shared with your many readers to assure them that IDEAL values our customers' safety and knowledge when it comes to connection solutions. Please feel free to call me direct when it may be convenient for you.

Best regards,

Jim MacMurdo
Director, Corporate Quality Assurance
IDEAL INDUSTRIES, INC.
 
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