Identify wires

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jkeep06

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OK, Say you have a one inch conduit with 20 #12 Black wires in it and you need to mark the wires from 1 to 20 on each end. The conduit travels between the first and fifth floor of a building.

My co-worker said he can mark all 20 wires with one trip up to the fifth floor and back.

Any Idea's as to how this can be done??

thanks
 

infinity

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One way to do it is to buy one of these:

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realolman

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jkeep06 said:
OK, Say you have a one inch conduit with 20 #12 Black wires in it and you need to mark the wires from 1 to 20 on each end. The conduit travels between the first and fifth floor of a building.

My co-worker said he can mark all 20 wires with one trip up to the fifth floor and back.

Any Idea's as to how this can be done??

thanks

Mark them at random:smile:
 

480sparky

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It's totally possible, and ANY number of wires can be identified this way.

The only difference is whether the number is odd or even.

If you have an even number, as you state, you start at one end and tie pairs of wires together.

Go to the other end, and find a pair that are tied together using an ohmmeter. Mark one of them #1 and tie it to ground. Mark the other #2.

Find another pair, and mark one of them #3 and tie it to #2. Mark the other #4. Find another pair and mark one of them #5, and tie it to #4. Mark the other #6. Seeing a pattern here? When you get all done, #1 will be grounded, 2 & 3 will be tied together, as will 4 & 5, 6 & 7, 8 & 9, and so on.

Make your one return trip, and use your meter to find the pair that has one wire grounded. That's #1. The wire it was paired to on that end will be #2, and it will show continuity to another wire, which will be #3. The wire #3 was paired to will be #4, and it will have continuity to another wire, which will be #5. Seeing another pattern here?

It's hard to visualize this with nothing but the written word, so take a short piece of scrap conduit and some scrap wire and try this sometime at home. Once you see how easy it works, you'll be amazed.

If you start out with an odd number of wires, you start by grounding one wire, marking it #1. Then you pair the wires up as stated above. Go to the other end, and find #1, which will have continuity to ground. Find another pair of wires that are shorted, and tie one of those to #1, marking it #2 and the other #3. Find another pair and mark one of them #4, tiing it to #3. The other is #5..etc.etc.etc.

Make your return trip, and the wire that is shorted to #1 is #2. The wire #2 was shorted to is #3, so #3 is identified. #3 was shorted to #4, so it can be found......

Once you try this a couple times with the scraps you'll see it works, but it takes patience. But it can be done, with 3 wires, 20 wires, or thousands.




Now for another brain-buster:

You are in a large commercial building, and you know there are 3 sets of lights fed by 3 circuits. But you cannot see the lights from the panel, nor the panel from where the lights are. Make ONE trip between the lights and the 3 breakers and correctly identify all three circuits. For this, let's say the lighting circuit numbers are 7, 9 and 11, and the lights would be called East, Center and West. No radios, no helper, no meters.... just you and shoe leather.
 
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charlie b

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480sparky said:
Shoot, I'd settle for a 10-spot!
Nah, just buy me a Makers Mark on the rocks, if we ever get a chance to meet. :grin:

OK, solution follows. Do not read further, if you want to work this one out for yourself.
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Start at the panel. Turn off all three circuits. Wait at least 10 minutes. Turn on circuits 7 and 9. Wait another 10 minutes. Then turn off circuit 9 and hurry over to where the lights are located. One set of lights will be on; mark that one as circuit 7. One set of lights will be off, but the bulbs will still be warm; mark that one as circuit 9. The other set of lights will be off, and the bulbs will be cool; mark that one as circuit 11.
 

masterinbama

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you got me

you got me

I am still surprised how many journeymen will try to draw me a schematic.
Of course the groan when I tell them to bury the two poles about 8 feet apart and string the wires between them
 

hillbilly

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When I was a kid, my uncle got "clothes lined" during a snowball fight with me and my brothers.

He hit my grandma's clothesline running full speed.

The bad part is the clothes line was made of barbed wire:confused: .
It split his lip and and the cut took 12 stiches to close.
The scar on his lip is still clearly visible.
That was 40 years ago.

True story

steve
 
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