IEEE, NEMA, (etc.) standards - What are they for?

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My question is basic. I am of the impression that for an AHJ to enforce a piece of text, it must be adopted as law.

What is a NEMA or IEEE document for?

For instance, IEEE documents are often offered up in defense of grounding (earthing) requirements. Are these standards for engineers to use as boilerplate for grounding requirements?

If an engineer were to install a sub-par grounding system by an IEEE standard, would that simply open them up to lawsuits down the road if something happened?

I guess I'm just saying I don't understand the process, of why they exist, and what their intended use is.

Any and all replies welcome. I'd like to leave the NEC's requirements completely out of this discussion, if you know what I mean. ;)
 
georgestolz said:
My question is basic. I am of the impression that for an AHJ to enforce a piece of text, it must be adopted as law.

What is a NEMA or IEEE document for?...... ;)

You are absolutely correct when you say an AHJ must have a code adopted by law in order to enforce it. The AHJ is usually appointed by elected officials who enact laws by empowerment thru election by the people...An AHJ may not legally enforce standards that are not legally referenced by the enabling statute. Standards are contained within codes. IEEE is a standards writing organization which creates and develops standards and markets them to official entities for inclusion into codes. Nema provides similar material as part of their broad service to the industry, too. :)

Standards writing organizations are fierce and fiery competitors in the marketing of codes and standards. Lots of rivalry exists. They have powerful lobbies intensely bent on selling their better mouse traps.
 
georgestolz said:
If an engineer were to install a sub-par grounding system by an IEEE standard, would that simply open them up to lawsuits down the road if something happened?
If it is designed in accordance with an IEEE standard, then it is not "sub-par." That notwithstanding, an engineer is always open to lawsuits, regardless of whether the design met all codes and standards. Anyone can sue anyone else for anything (well, almost). But if the engineer followed all codes and standards, as well as common design practices, the lawsuit is unlikely to succeed.
 
Sorry Charlie, I meant "if the installation was sub-par, compared to an IEEE standard (the standard being better than the actual physical design).

Fred, who would they lobby? State governments? Local jurisdictions? The NFPA?
 
I guess I'm just saying I don't understand the process, of why they exist, and what their intended use is.

It's a history lesson if nothing else.
IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers) is a "society" of electrical engineers. They adopted a set of "best practice" standards a long time ago that they continually maintain, which have been adopted and referred to by many other organizations. But they are NOT legal documents in any way shape or form. However, if you are a PE and IEEE member and you design or approve something that is in clear conflict with IEEE standards, you can be held up for ridicule by your fellow engineers, even kicked out of IEEE. Getting kicked out is tantamount to being ostracized in the engineering "country club". But it's not as severe as, for instance, being a lawyer and getting disbarred by the ABA because you need the ABA certification to practice law, you do not need IEEE membership to be a PE. You might end up finding it difficult to get work however.

ANSI (American National Standards Institute) is similar to IEEE, but in actuality is broader in scope, covering mechanical, civil, chemical etc. engineering disciplines as well (think ANSI bolt grades and oil viscosity specs). They used to be separate, but for the most part the electrical standards of ANSI are now administered by IEEE. Essentially, IEEE are the working authors and editors, ANSI is the publisher.

NEMA (National Electrical Manufacturers Association) is a set of standards created and adopted voluntarily by a group of the largest electrical equipment manufacturers so that there were clear standards by which components and systems could be referred to and compared against. They too are NOT legal in any way; strictly voluntary and, more importantly, self regulated. So one could make an argument that it is a set of rules by which the foxes have agreed to guard the hen house. But in reality, the NEMA standards were a way of establishing MINIMUM performance standards so that one bad apple would not cause a loss of consumer confidence in the entire industry. Still, there is no "enforcement" of NEMA standards other than if a manufacturer uses a reference to them and is proven (usually by a competitor) to not be in compliance, they can be sued to stop using the term "NEMA". They cannot however be forced to change or cease marketing their product.

UL is where you start approaching quasi-governmental authority. UL stands for Underwriter's laboratories. If you recognize the word "underwriter" in there and it makes you think of an insurance company, you would be barking up the right tree. UL is all about testing for safety, mainly fire safety, so that insurers can be satisfied that products so tested and listed have not been marginally designed and potentially causative of losses. It must be pointed out however that UL traditionally is not a QUALITY or FUNCTIONALITY testing lab per se. There is an old saying that you can UL list a bathtub as a busbar if it doesn't start a fire. Not exactly true, but it makes a point. What has changed in recent years is that the NEC now REQUIRES listing by an NRTL (Nationally Recognized Testing Lab) if such a listing can be shown to exist. UL just happens to be the biggest and most recognizable NRTL, but they are certainly not the only one any longer. In fact, many of the smaller NRTLs such as ETL use UL's testing procedures anyway, they just charge less to do it.

Bottom line though, the AHJ is the ultimate authority in YOUR installation. If he wants to insist on your meeting an IEEE spec or an ANSI spec or an NRTL label he can do so. You can always challenge him, but you will find it difficult to get another authority, namely a PE, to want to contradict an IEEE or ANSI specification if that is what the AHJ is insisting on. NEMA, maybe, because NEMA is not really recognized as a valid test procedure by the NEC; however be aware that for electrical equipment in the US, UL had all but adopted the NEMA standards anyway. So if the AHJ slips up and says he insists on you meeting a NEMA spec and you challenge it, he may be able to just say "Oops, I meant UL" and you are sunk because UL is an NRTL and IS supported by NEC regulations.

Only the lawyers will make out in that situation.
 
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georgestolz said:
Fred, who would they lobby? State governments? Local jurisdictions? The NFPA?

A few years back when NY was in the early stages of entering the 'international family of codes arena', we were lobbied by BOCA, and NFPA who both were shopping their building codes. Later BOCA was replaced by a consortium of standards-writing organizations called the ICC (International Code Council). We went with the ICC codes. Many in NY believe that it was only because NFPA was slow off the starting line with their building code that we went with ICC. In any event, what nashing of teeth at the political level....:D
 
there are IEEE, NEMA and IEC standards out there. The IEEE is an international standard so that blokes like yours truly have something to fall on if questions arise regarding whys and hows of electrical systems. I even had an elevator technician arguing with me on IEEE standards, which have nothing to do with his elevator operation.

seriously, even we even use NEMA standards here in the Philippines. a very good standard for motors and their construction. these standards have proven their worth in providing a MINIMUM standard for electrical design and safety
 
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