Illuminated entrance at screened porch?
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Re: Illuminated entrance at screened porch?
Ray, welcome to the forum (a late welcome from me).
There is never a dull boring question.
Looking at 210.70(A)(2)(a) & (b), it seems to me that the screened in porch is similar to a hallway to an outdoor entrance. I'd imagine the screened in porch would block a lot of light to the outside, so it's arguable that it's not on the exterior side of the entrance.
Is a porch part of the house? For the purposes of this section, I would say "yes."
Ray, pay close attention to what follows: you will hear the whistle of rocks flying in my direction.
If this is in regards to the real world (I've heard of that place once, I steer clear), ask your AHJ or talk the customer into more lights.
Ray, welcome to the forum (a late welcome from me).
There is never a dull boring question.
Looking at 210.70(A)(2)(a) & (b), it seems to me that the screened in porch is similar to a hallway to an outdoor entrance. I'd imagine the screened in porch would block a lot of light to the outside, so it's arguable that it's not on the exterior side of the entrance.
Is a porch part of the house? For the purposes of this section, I would say "yes."
Ray, pay close attention to what follows: you will hear the whistle of rocks flying in my direction.
If this is in regards to the real world (I've heard of that place once, I steer clear), ask your AHJ or talk the customer into more lights.
Re: Illuminated entrance at screened porch?
Looking a 210.70a I read to be for inside not outside. as for part b exterior side, you could make an argument there. If the customer wants it and is going to pay then add as many as they want. But these questions don't come up because they want to give us more money.
Looking a 210.70a I read to be for inside not outside. as for part b exterior side, you could make an argument there. If the customer wants it and is going to pay then add as many as they want. But these questions don't come up because they want to give us more money.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2023
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: Illuminated entrance at screened porch?
If we were to use the exception to 210.70(A)(2), then we could have the breezeway "common area" lighting do the front door, so long as it was on it's own utility meter. (210.25)
Are there many detached garages inside houses?
If we were to use the exception to 210.70(A)(2), then we could have the breezeway "common area" lighting do the front door, so long as it was on it's own utility meter. (210.25)
ty
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Re: Illuminated entrance at screened porch?
Does the screened in porch require receptacle outlets??
Does the screened in porch require receptacle outlets??
Re: Illuminated entrance at screened porch?
Ty, I would say not. The closest room description would be a Sunroom 210.52(A) Yes granted sun may enter that area and some Inspectors would require receptacles, but in the "realistic world" only 210.52(5)(E) would be the required. The lighting requirement under 210.70 (A)(2)(b) Most AHJ in our area see it as if You have to pass through this permanently attached stucture to get in or out "yes" the outdoor lighting is required weather it be coach, floods, etc.
Ty, I would say not. The closest room description would be a Sunroom 210.52(A) Yes granted sun may enter that area and some Inspectors would require receptacles, but in the "realistic world" only 210.52(5)(E) would be the required. The lighting requirement under 210.70 (A)(2)(b) Most AHJ in our area see it as if You have to pass through this permanently attached stucture to get in or out "yes" the outdoor lighting is required weather it be coach, floods, etc.
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Re: Illuminated entrance at screened porch?
I would think that 210.52(G) would apply, but not exactly the way it's worded in the 2002 ('05's in the truck).
The screened porch is not exactly outside - would you consider the receptacle inside the porch area to be serving the area outdoors? Wouldn't the use of that receptacle violate 400.8(3)? You'd have to run a cord through a doorway to use it outside.
There you go with that "real world" stuff.
I would think that 210.52(G) would apply, but not exactly the way it's worded in the 2002 ('05's in the truck).
The screened porch is not exactly outside - would you consider the receptacle inside the porch area to be serving the area outdoors? Wouldn't the use of that receptacle violate 400.8(3)? You'd have to run a cord through a doorway to use it outside.
Can you clarify? You mean, a light would be required outside the screened porch?
Re: Illuminated entrance at screened porch?
it all comes down to do you call the porch interior or exterior. If you have a house with a court yard dose that gate need a light? it is a door way. 210.70 (2)b says exterior "side" does not say were the light has to be or the switch. under stand that I think a light here would be good but this most likely comes from a inspector thinks it should be and the H.O.thinks the E.C. should pay for it.
it all comes down to do you call the porch interior or exterior. If you have a house with a court yard dose that gate need a light? it is a door way. 210.70 (2)b says exterior "side" does not say were the light has to be or the switch. under stand that I think a light here would be good but this most likely comes from a inspector thinks it should be and the H.O.thinks the E.C. should pay for it.
ty
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Re: Illuminated entrance at screened porch?
That's what I was getting at.
LarryFine
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Re: Illuminated entrance at screened porch?
Around here, an enclosed porch, especially if there are steps, requires an exterior light. Plus, enclosing a deck or porch renders an exterior receptacle no longer qualified as the exterior receptacle, as George stated.
Around here, an enclosed porch, especially if there are steps, requires an exterior light. Plus, enclosing a deck or porch renders an exterior receptacle no longer qualified as the exterior receptacle, as George stated.
Re: Illuminated entrance at screened porch?
I always get myself in trouble with that "real world" stuff. As an electrician and inspector, I just run around all day confused trying to figure out "Electrician thinkin' or Inspector thinkin'" That is what is so great about this forum It's just plain "Good Thinkin'"
I always get myself in trouble with that "real world" stuff. As an electrician and inspector, I just run around all day confused trying to figure out "Electrician thinkin' or Inspector thinkin'" That is what is so great about this forum It's just plain "Good Thinkin'"
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