In ground Pool Certification

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Fordean

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Have to Certify a pool. Never did before. I am guessing to do some kind of visible inspection. Plus some type of Ohms test from Ladders back to Motors.
Pool also, Has a Handicap lift for a person to be lowered in. Anyone done this before?
No way to check the ladder connections since they are under pavers.
The Metal fence is over 10 feet away, As well as the Lighting poles. So I think I'm good there. Any input. I was going to run a wire from the ladders back to the motor and ohm it. Not sure if that is the proper procedure. For the mininmal amount of monies. I hate the liability surrounding others work.

This is a smaller type of underground pool for a 400 unit complex
 
What powers the handicap lift? Water pressure from a hose?? Or electrical of some sort?
 
Fordean said:
Sorry we are certified To certify!
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That is correct. In NJ licensed electrical contractors are permitted to perform these inspections.

Introduction
P.L. 1998, c. 137, which supplements the State Uniform Construction Code (UCC) Act, provides for periodic electrical inspections and testing of swimming pools, spas, and hot tubs, with the exception of those associated with a one- or two-family dwelling. Pools, spas, and hot tubs are required to have a “bonding and grounding” certificate issued by a recognized electrical testing agency or licensed electrical contractor, and an Electrical Certificate of Compliance issued by the enforcing agency upon satisfactory completion of a visual inspection.
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Look here for what is required to be tested:
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
How are you certified to certify the pool if you are asking how to do it in this forum?
Certified or not, I would never put my name on something like that, I see it as taking on far more risk than what it would be worth to do.
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I was going to ask the same. There is significant liability on older pools.
Much risk as Don mentioned
 
tom baker said:
I was going to ask the same. There is significant liability on older pools.
Much risk as Don mentioned
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Pool is less than 5 years They are building giant 320 1800 to 2500 sq ft units
In one lot/parcel This is a new pool wih 2013 im guessing NEC
I just think i need to check if railings are bonded to motors Or what else that may neec to be done I'm a thorough type of installer I try to do best i can as well i hope all else do
Just seeing if what tests are to be performed
That is why this site is so helpful and intellectual ( hope i spelled that right) 😉
 
I had to check pool bonding on a couple of pools. What I did was take a length (whatever is needed) of THWN stranded wire and put alligator clips on the ends. I clamped onto a place that I could see was bonded and went to all the other things that should be bonded. I used my meter set on continuity, clipped onto one of the meter leads and checked each item. If all items showed continuity, then I was satisfied that the bonding was intact. I also checked NEV (neutal to earth voltage) but won't get into that here.

Very important***
If there is a ladder or a pair of handrails, make sure there is continuity between each rail. It would be better to have neither one bonded than to have just one!
 
If I were to be involved in something like this I would come up with an inspection and test procedure that I trusted, rather than doing it on an ad hoc basis.

I do not think it is appropriate to use a typical Ohmmeter for these type of measurements.

I would also review this particular type of work with my insurance company.
 
Certifying a pool in New Jersey isn't just a matter of how to reach the components that require continuity in the equipotential bonding system. I would not use a standard ohm meter, which can show 25 ohms or less very easily. The Megger Series Micro Ohm meters which can introduce 10amp of current into the bonding system may be a way to go. AEMC makes some pretty sophisticated test equipment also. I would reach out to an application engineer with them before I would sign off on a 5 year certification. You may need to dig deep to pay for these also.
 
I am an Electrical Subcode Official in NJ. Yesterday I had an update seminar for CEUs on this topic. One other thing to keep in mind being in NJ is the UCC and the Bulletin 99.1, regarding the annual pool inspections and 5 year certifications. There is a statement that says the Bonding and Grounding Certification of Compliance is to comply with the Electrical Subcode of The State of New Jersey, which is now the 2020 NEC with revisions. This means GFCI protection for all motors even three phase up to 60 amps. I am still in shock and think some words needs to be changed.
 
Regarding certifying pools, I am speaking of New Jersey only. New Jersey regulates the state through the Uniform Construction Code (UCC) and the Act which gives us the standards we play by. To be honest with you sometimes the interpretations do not make sense and are not realistic. I am hoping through updates to the UCC we will see changes to 52:27d-133.1, 5:23-3.16 and bulletin 99.1. Check it out, and I hope this helps clarify.
 
brantmacga said:
I am genuinely curious what the process is to become certified to inspect pools after reading the two statements above.


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I was looking for general Ideas on what to perform. Me personally would check the grounding. Bonds. I like the one post showing the tester using a small load to check. But that tool/ is expensive
"I would not use a standard ohm meter, which can show 25 ohms or less very easily. The Megger Series Micro Ohm meters which can introduce 10amp of current into the bonding system may be a way to go. AEMC makes some pretty sophisticated test equipment also. "
 
Question about 5 Year Bond Cert for public pool/Fitness Center ..... Does the certificate need to state what it is for ? As in pool(s) water slide, pool lift(s) and spa(s) and where they are located or just the location and quantity of pool(s) and spa(s)?
 
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