In-Sure-Push-in Wire Connectors[WAGO'S]
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Re: In-Sure-Push-in Wire Connectors[WAGO'S]
The NEC doesn't endorse or recognize products. If it is listed it can be used for it's designed application.
As far as your GM not wanting to use a product is an in house issue the same as say a company policy against back stabbing devices.
I have certain products I absolutly refuse to use due to previous failures and associated agravation and expense for remedies.
Roger
The NEC doesn't endorse or recognize products. If it is listed it can be used for it's designed application.
As far as your GM not wanting to use a product is an in house issue the same as say a company policy against back stabbing devices.
I have certain products I absolutly refuse to use due to previous failures and associated agravation and expense for remedies.
Roger
Re: In-Sure-Push-in Wire Connectors[WAGO'S]
Wago seems to be a German company.
I have one Wago connector and have demolished and analyzed two stab-in type receptacles. Briefly, one used a 0.025" thick piece of brass in which a hole was punched slightly smaller than the dia. of the wire and one side of the hole was slit on two sides to make a spring. Thus the contact area was only on the two edges of the metal.
The other has a piece of 0.030" thick brass which was bent into an "L" shape. the inserted wire would rest in the crotch of the "L" and be held in place by another part of the brass piece as a spring. The point is that there was more contact area between the wire and the brass. I think that one was an old Eagle brand.
Now the Wago connector seems to use the latter method. If the inserted wire end is straight, it should make a fairly good contact. [Probably between the cheap push-in and a wire nut.]I didn't measure the thickness of the brass.
This could be a great timesaver but how long it lasts, I don't know. If anybody has any experience with failures of Wagos, please post.
~Peter
Incidently, the wires can be removed from them by pulling and twisting simultaneously.
Wago seems to be a German company.
I have one Wago connector and have demolished and analyzed two stab-in type receptacles. Briefly, one used a 0.025" thick piece of brass in which a hole was punched slightly smaller than the dia. of the wire and one side of the hole was slit on two sides to make a spring. Thus the contact area was only on the two edges of the metal.
The other has a piece of 0.030" thick brass which was bent into an "L" shape. the inserted wire would rest in the crotch of the "L" and be held in place by another part of the brass piece as a spring. The point is that there was more contact area between the wire and the brass. I think that one was an old Eagle brand.
Now the Wago connector seems to use the latter method. If the inserted wire end is straight, it should make a fairly good contact. [Probably between the cheap push-in and a wire nut.]I didn't measure the thickness of the brass.
This could be a great timesaver but how long it lasts, I don't know. If anybody has any experience with failures of Wagos, please post.
~Peter
Incidently, the wires can be removed from them by pulling and twisting simultaneously.
Re: In-Sure-Push-in Wire Connectors[WAGO'S]
I have installed a large number of WAGO term blocks in an Industrial application; On Rail Grinding equipment where they exposed to extremely high vibration and extreme temptures,The size used varied from #2 AWG down to #16 AWG; In th smaller wires we had to crimp on an end piece that would be the same as a soild conductor; We did not have any real problem with the WAGO failing; We had to use a screwdriver to remove/ install the wires; As far as a resi application I would stick to the side terminal screw installation
I have installed a large number of WAGO term blocks in an Industrial application; On Rail Grinding equipment where they exposed to extremely high vibration and extreme temptures,The size used varied from #2 AWG down to #16 AWG; In th smaller wires we had to crimp on an end piece that would be the same as a soild conductor; We did not have any real problem with the WAGO failing; We had to use a screwdriver to remove/ install the wires; As far as a resi application I would stick to the side terminal screw installation
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Re: In-Sure-Push-in Wire Connectors[WAGO'S]
I could be mistaken but I think he is asking about these.
Ideal push in connectors
[ June 02, 2003, 04:35 AM: Message edited by: iwire ]
rrrusty, I do not think what you were using is the same as what pqpro is talking about.
I could be mistaken but I think he is asking about these.
Ideal push in connectors
[ June 02, 2003, 04:35 AM: Message edited by: iwire ]
bill addiss
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Re: In-Sure-Push-in Wire Connectors[WAGO'S]
pqpro,
For what it's worth, these connectors are used widely outside the US and the users I've spoken to seem to like them and had no problems to report.
Bill
pqpro,
For what it's worth, these connectors are used widely outside the US and the users I've spoken to seem to like them and had no problems to report.
Bill
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Re: In-Sure-Push-in Wire Connectors[WAGO'S]
the wago conneters are very common in european area i haved use them alot in france but the trend is mixed bag now and somewhere in this forurm or the other fourm did disscusion about this item pretty good debate with it and most american electrican are reclulet ( not really ) to use the wago conneter because the back stabbing outlets et switches i am not too crazy with it ether too but cost wise itis pretty close what european pay for it
merci marc
the wago conneters are very common in european area i haved use them alot in france but the trend is mixed bag now and somewhere in this forurm or the other fourm did disscusion about this item pretty good debate with it and most american electrican are reclulet ( not really ) to use the wago conneter because the back stabbing outlets et switches i am not too crazy with it ether too but cost wise itis pretty close what european pay for it
merci marc
flightline
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Re: In-Sure-Push-in Wire Connectors[WAGO'S]
We use the Ideal push in type that iwire has posted, but we do so ONLY for fluorescent ballast changeouts. Listed or not, I won't use anything but a spring type wire connector, [wire-nut] for building wire. All we use is stranded, so its more conducive anyway.
Perhaps its snobbery on my part, but I don't readilly embrace things not American in origin. By that I mean I apprecieate the robust design of NEMA starters and contactors as pposed to IEC style. It may be a misconception, but our enclosures and stuff in general is larger and gives you more room to wire.
We use the Ideal push in type that iwire has posted, but we do so ONLY for fluorescent ballast changeouts. Listed or not, I won't use anything but a spring type wire connector, [wire-nut] for building wire. All we use is stranded, so its more conducive anyway.
Perhaps its snobbery on my part, but I don't readilly embrace things not American in origin. By that I mean I apprecieate the robust design of NEMA starters and contactors as pposed to IEC style. It may be a misconception, but our enclosures and stuff in general is larger and gives you more room to wire.
littlewing78
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Re: In-Sure-Push-in Wire Connectors[WAGO'S]
i freaking love wago's. they are especially good for using with the neutral conductor. this way if you have to work on something there is less of a risk of disconnecting the neutral like there is when you take a wire nut off. not everyone twists the wire before putting on a nutlike they should. but wago's are a big help and are tons faster. i have never had a problem with them.
i freaking love wago's. they are especially good for using with the neutral conductor. this way if you have to work on something there is less of a risk of disconnecting the neutral like there is when you take a wire nut off. not everyone twists the wire before putting on a nutlike they should. but wago's are a big help and are tons faster. i have never had a problem with them.
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