Tim Closner
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Can any type of incandescent wall mount fixture be located within 5 ft of a bathtub in a bathroom?
incandescent lighting
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petersonra
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Re: incandescent lighting
as i read it, you could install a can fixture directly over the shower though.
I wanted one over my shower and the electrician refused to install one there. he said it was a code violation, so it was installed a few inches outside the tub area.
i don't see that it makes any difference if it is incandescent or not.
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does the code make any distinctions between incandescent and other forms of lighting fixtures? if so, what happens if you put a compact flourescent bulb in an incandescent fixture? is it no longer an incandescent fixture?
[ July 11, 2005, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: petersonra ]
as i read it, you could install a can fixture directly over the shower though.
I wanted one over my shower and the electrician refused to install one there. he said it was a code violation, so it was installed a few inches outside the tub area.
i don't see that it makes any difference if it is incandescent or not.
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does the code make any distinctions between incandescent and other forms of lighting fixtures? if so, what happens if you put a compact flourescent bulb in an incandescent fixture? is it no longer an incandescent fixture?
[ July 11, 2005, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: petersonra ]
physis
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Re: incandescent lighting
It doesn't matter what type of bulb. And you can have a light in the shower. No pendants below 8'. It has to recessed within 8'. Rediculously your allowed to hang a sconce on the wall.
This is from memory, howed I do? I'm not sure I'm remembering the recessed right.
I personally use a recessed with a shower trim and put it on a GFI.
It doesn't matter what type of bulb. And you can have a light in the shower. No pendants below 8'. It has to recessed within 8'. Rediculously your allowed to hang a sconce on the wall.
This is from memory, howed I do? I'm not sure I'm remembering the recessed right.
I personally use a recessed with a shower trim and put it on a GFI.
al hildenbrand
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Re: incandescent lighting
The 2005 NEC Handbook includes an updated Exhibit 410.1 for section 410.4(D) that actually shows a wall sconce in the restricted space.
Notice that, although drawn outside of the restricted zone, the recessed or surface mounted luminaire has a qualification that it can be mounted inside the restricted zone.
Now, admittedly, this is Handbook explanatory material that is not part of the Code, therefore the language (and image) is not enforceable, rather it is the opinion of the authors of the Handbook.
The 2005 NEC Handbook includes an updated Exhibit 410.1 for section 410.4(D) that actually shows a wall sconce in the restricted space.
Notice that, although drawn outside of the restricted zone, the recessed or surface mounted luminaire has a qualification that it can be mounted inside the restricted zone.
Now, admittedly, this is Handbook explanatory material that is not part of the Code, therefore the language (and image) is not enforceable, rather it is the opinion of the authors of the Handbook.
jwelectric
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410.4 (D) Bathtub and Shower Areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaires (fixtures), chain-, cable-, or cord-suspended-luminaires (fixtures), lighting track, pendants, or ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall. Luminaires (lighting fixtures) located in this zone shall be listed for damp locations, or listed for wet locations where subject to shower spray.
I don?t see anything stated about a wall mounted fixture. Any fixture outside the 3 foot horizontally is acceptable.
410.4 (D) Bathtub and Shower Areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaires (fixtures), chain-, cable-, or cord-suspended-luminaires (fixtures), lighting track, pendants, or ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall. Luminaires (lighting fixtures) located in this zone shall be listed for damp locations, or listed for wet locations where subject to shower spray.
I don?t see anything stated about a wall mounted fixture. Any fixture outside the 3 foot horizontally is acceptable.
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Re: incandescent lighting
The issue of a wall mounted fixture in the tub area was addressed by the CMP about two code cycles ago. For some unknown reason they think that a wall mount fixture is safe for this area and the other types listed in the code section are not.
Don
The issue of a wall mounted fixture in the tub area was addressed by the CMP about two code cycles ago. For some unknown reason they think that a wall mount fixture is safe for this area and the other types listed in the code section are not.
Don
al hildenbrand
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Re: incandescent lighting
Steve,
Steve,
It's interesting to me that the writers of what you read thought that changing a bulb in a recessed or ceiling-mounted surface luminaire wasn't a candidate for using the tub as a step ladder.
Re: incandescent lighting
This is from the 2002 handbook:
"The intent of 410.4(D) is to keep cord connected, hanging or pendant luminaires and suspended fans out of the reach of an individual standing on the bathtub rim. This list of prohibited items recognizes that the same risk of electric shock is present for each one",
So I was mistaken about it not having nothing to do with electric shock.
But I am still puzzled why wall mounted lights don't pose the same hazzard?
This is from the 2002 handbook:
"The intent of 410.4(D) is to keep cord connected, hanging or pendant luminaires and suspended fans out of the reach of an individual standing on the bathtub rim. This list of prohibited items recognizes that the same risk of electric shock is present for each one",
So I was mistaken about it not having nothing to do with electric shock.
But I am still puzzled why wall mounted lights don't pose the same hazzard?
al hildenbrand
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Re: incandescent lighting
As well as recessed or ceiling-mounted surface luminaires inside or outside of the zone.
al hildenbrand
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Re: incandescent lighting
Sam,
Tag, you're it!
Sam,
Tag, you're it!
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