"Incidental and supplemental" work in other trades?

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Ricko1980

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I'm a newly licensed C10 in California and work in residential and commercial retrofits and whole-building electrification, and I'd like to start offering water heater and heat pump installation as part of these electrification projects (typically service upgrade, grounding, rewire, and a few 240 circuits for appliances per unit). How much work in other trades do folks find themselves doing?

The legal section in CA is Sec. 7059, which describes when people can't do work, but notes that:

"Nothing contained in this section shall prohibit a specialty contractor from taking and executing a contract involving the use of two or more crafts or trades, if the performance of the work in the crafts or trades, other than in which he or she is licensed, is incidental and supplemental to the performance of the work in the craft for which the specialty contractor is licensed."

And Sec. 831: "For purposes of Section 7059, work in other classifications is "incidental and supplemental" to the work for which a specialty contractor is licensed if that work is essential to accomplish the work in which the contractor is classified. A specialty contractor may use subcontractors to complete the incidental and supplemental work, or he may use his own employees to do so."

If you do this kind of work, do you get an electrical permit that explicitly calls out "water heater replacement?"

As I see it, a lot of the existing gas water heater setups just require some very minor plumbing, much less plumbing work than the elec. work of bringing a new circuit, sometimes from 40' away through finished walls, and usually also replacing a panel, so if only one specialty trade is going to be doing this it should be us... Even if I hate doing plumbing, it would be nice to be able to do this in-house.

Input appreciated, thanks!
 
I'm not in California, but it seems you're trying to apply that section backward.

Specialty contractor would be someone like a sign installer, alarm installer, boilermaker, etc.

Basically, I would see it like this -
Incidental on a water heater replacement would be disconnecting the cable and reconnecting it.
3 screws and 2 wire nuts (15 minutes) doesn't constitute the prinary part of a 4 hour job
 
Sorry, I should have specified, we’re replacing gas water heaters with elec, running new circuits from panels, sometimes requires panel upgrade.
 
I still don't see an electrical job having an incidental water heater changeout.

If there was no water heater swap, would you be there running wires and changing panels? Seems the water heater is the primary purpose of you being there
 
The contracts are for whole-building electrification, in which gas appliances are replaced with electric ones, and an electrician is by far the most trade hours. For typical jobs, electric is probably 20-30 hours, concrete 1-2, HVAC is 2-3 and plumbing is 1-2. For these water heaters, more of the work is electrical than plumbing for sure, for the HVAC it’s probably 50-50 electrical and HVAC contractor.

Anyone doing these kinds of installs with only a C-10?
 
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