I have come along in the trade working for a master, who has several, lets say 10 people, that don't work for him, but get their permits through him. A few have out of state journeymans licenses, a few learned the trade or what they know of it in other countries. A few he trained and they haven't made a move on getting their licenses. I have all my paper work and in process of getting my license.
These guys know their end of the trade, they take contracts and whatever they can't get done or screw up, in the end I wind up fixing it.
Now having seen for several years now that this situation has a dead end, literally, he's 74, I have been angeling to get myself into a position that I get a line on some nice projects. Hence I have been working along with some GC's and architects and so forth on some smaller jobs, fixing screw ups and so on and doing some new work to be the one who comes to mind when some nice work comes along.
I helped a favoured architect move some office furniture into what will be his basement office last night. And will probably settle on a contract to heavy up his house and add plugs tomorrow.
Anyway. He's setting up his office because he has on the proverbial drawing board, 3 additions, 4 houses, all over 6000 sq feet including the 16000 sq ft, 3 churches, 1 of which is a mega church.
To give another piece of background, I met the architect through a GC that, grew up a few years ahead of me at the same church, same youth group, so on so forth. The architect is good buds with this GC and dosent want to take on any projects that the gc won't gc and the gc dosent want to gc anything that I won't wire.
Now I know the best laid plans of mice and men will go awry at the first possible chance. But assuming that we can make this work for some length of time, as I continue to work the master and what we affectionately call the posse, and continue to work at building the same kind of working relationship with other GC's, architects, developers and construction management companies,(the master us the oldest master and longest in business in the city and when stuff is screwed up or anyone ask at the license and permit office who should I get to unscrew it or for it to not be screwed in the beginning, he's the guy who gets the call. And I do the work)
Now, my initial question is, having read the thread about employees, if I nail one of the bigger jobs that the architect is drawing. If I call various members of the posse who normally function as independent contractors and say come help me pull this house. Whatever time you can spare from your own job.
Now how would that be looked at legally/tax wise? I wouldn't dictate and hourly rate, when they had to be there, or anything.
Really I hope the master is still kicking when I nail one of these jobs so I get him to co manage it and I can learn his command and control procedures.
Anyway do you think these guy would be considered employees along with the ensuing issues.
Also if the master is still kicking he'll get the permit as he does for all of our posse and he extends workmans comp, insurance and bond to all off us.
This wouldn't be the first he's backed me on a job on a job 2 years ago that sold for a million, but I what I am after could be 5 times that.
These guys know their end of the trade, they take contracts and whatever they can't get done or screw up, in the end I wind up fixing it.
Now having seen for several years now that this situation has a dead end, literally, he's 74, I have been angeling to get myself into a position that I get a line on some nice projects. Hence I have been working along with some GC's and architects and so forth on some smaller jobs, fixing screw ups and so on and doing some new work to be the one who comes to mind when some nice work comes along.
I helped a favoured architect move some office furniture into what will be his basement office last night. And will probably settle on a contract to heavy up his house and add plugs tomorrow.
Anyway. He's setting up his office because he has on the proverbial drawing board, 3 additions, 4 houses, all over 6000 sq feet including the 16000 sq ft, 3 churches, 1 of which is a mega church.
To give another piece of background, I met the architect through a GC that, grew up a few years ahead of me at the same church, same youth group, so on so forth. The architect is good buds with this GC and dosent want to take on any projects that the gc won't gc and the gc dosent want to gc anything that I won't wire.
Now I know the best laid plans of mice and men will go awry at the first possible chance. But assuming that we can make this work for some length of time, as I continue to work the master and what we affectionately call the posse, and continue to work at building the same kind of working relationship with other GC's, architects, developers and construction management companies,(the master us the oldest master and longest in business in the city and when stuff is screwed up or anyone ask at the license and permit office who should I get to unscrew it or for it to not be screwed in the beginning, he's the guy who gets the call. And I do the work)
Now, my initial question is, having read the thread about employees, if I nail one of the bigger jobs that the architect is drawing. If I call various members of the posse who normally function as independent contractors and say come help me pull this house. Whatever time you can spare from your own job.
Now how would that be looked at legally/tax wise? I wouldn't dictate and hourly rate, when they had to be there, or anything.
Really I hope the master is still kicking when I nail one of these jobs so I get him to co manage it and I can learn his command and control procedures.
Anyway do you think these guy would be considered employees along with the ensuing issues.
Also if the master is still kicking he'll get the permit as he does for all of our posse and he extends workmans comp, insurance and bond to all off us.
This wouldn't be the first he's backed me on a job on a job 2 years ago that sold for a million, but I what I am after could be 5 times that.
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