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Are all industrial facilities required to pull permits for electrical work inside their facilities?
 
spd said:
Are all industrial facilities required to pull permits for electrical work inside their facilities?
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There are a fair number of places that don't bother industrial facilities all that much about permits, whether they are "required" or not. Especially for ongoing work.

new construction seems a little different.
 
In the area I work which is governed by the State, "in house" is never permitted or inspected and the State has not pushed the issue.
In the few instances I have attempted to have contractors permit the work they are doing in the plants I have received no support from the State.
IF a new service is involved, the work is always permitted,
The closest large City which has it;s won inspection department requires all personnel performing electrical work, other than routine maintenance, to be licensed and there is an annual permit process.
 
so it sounds like it varies by jurisdiction. I would say that new services typically require permitting and inspection. And that many areas dont require inspections of work in existing facilities. Is there anything in the code that gives the AHJ some legal reason not to inspect the existing faciliities? is it because the workers can be deemed "qualified electrical workers"?
 
The NEC says absolutely nothing about who can and cannot do electrical work, nothing about permits, nothing about inspections, all those issues are determined locally.
 
spd said:
is it because the workers can be deemed "qualified electrical workers"?
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The NEC specifically makes exceptions for industrial area's accessible only to qualified persons.
Try Federal OSHA 1910.26 or similar section for fire/life safety codes in industrial facilities.
OSHA is enforced after a fatality, it only poses some litigation liability to discourage workers from being deemed "Expendable".
 
ramsy said:
The NEC specifically makes exceptions for industrial area's accessible only to qualified persons.
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Please expand on how the NEC instructs about permits as the OP was asking about.

Try Federal OSHA 1910.26 or similar section for fire/life safety codes in industrial facilities.
OSHA is enforced after a fatality, it only poses some litigation liability to discourage workers from being deemed "Expendable"
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What does OSHA have to do with requireing electrcal permits?
 
iwire said:
The rules are different from area to area.
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I agree, here in New Jersey we have a program where facilities can apply for an Annual Permit which are renewable for a period of one year and allows for work to be done with specific guidelines.
 
infinity said:
I agree, here in New Jersey we have a program where facilities can apply for an Annual Permit which are renewable for a period of one year and allows for work to be done with specific guidelines.
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Around here we can get yearly 'maintenance permits' which allow repairs to existing equipment but any new work has to have a separate permit.
 
Here in Southern Ca we do work without any permits. As to whether they are required I honestly don't know. Permits apply to new construction as pointed out by other posters.
 
iwire said:
What does OSHA have to do with requireing electrcal permits?
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OSHA requires several types of permits, including construction (Trenching for underground electrical), Hot Work, Confined Spaces, etc..

See Cal/OSHA construction permit requirements below:
http://www.ncbesafety.com/uploads/12-06_Safety Times.pdf

See other industrial permits required by OSHA:

Hot Work
http://www.acutech-consulting.com/acusafe/Newsletter/Stories/0902NewsPart11HotWork.htm

Confined spaces
https://www.osha.gov/Publications/osha3138.pdf
 
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