Inspection and testing a new and completed electrical installation.

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gents....I have been working closely out here in AFHGN with a number of Brits and I am constantly surprise by how much knowledge they have not just on the installation of electrical systems but also on the attitude they have towards inspecting and testing facilities following completion.
When are we going to get our heads from up our butts and get with these guys and start training ourselves on the theretical side of inspection and testing our installs.
 
gents....I have been working closely out here in AFHGN with a number of Brits and I am constantly surprise by how much knowledge they have not just on the installation of electrical systems but also on the attitude they have towards inspecting and testing facilities following completion.
When are we going to get our heads from up our butts and get with these guys and start training ourselves on the theretical side of inspection and testing our installs.
I have met a few British electricians, and they are very good at what they do. In my opinion, the quality of American electricians varies from top notch, to poor, depending on their background, and attitude. Almost all of the electricians I worked with who learned the trade in the military are very good, and junior colleges are starting to put together some good programs to meet the looming shortage of electricians. In addition, I have seen that the formal apprentiship programs have done a great deal to improve their training. However, it ultimately depends on how much the individual does to improve himself in the field, and under what conditions he has to work. So, if you try to pass on what you have learned from the Brits, it will do much to improve our industry.
 
I see a few issues in this.

Craftsmanship is not being taught nearly as well as it once was. "Hurry up and get it done" is the prevailing attitude. Not that we should loaf around and "milk the job" by any means. Lazy bums should get the steel toed boot in the butt.

Many young boys now coming into the trade have no basic knowledge of tools. Most boys in the past at least knew how to use hammers, screwdrivers, etc. I have seen several green helpers that I had to teach how to hammer nails, how to use the right size screwdrivers, etc. Of the handful of girls I have seen coming in, a few of them knew their tools better than the boys. They were more motivated.

Some foremen do a poor job of exposing their helpers and mechanics to new things. A guy may get pigeon holed into just running conduit and he does little else. May get moved to another job as wire is being pulled into what he ran. I have known a few guys that run great conduit but have no idea what to pull into it. I worked under a few foremen that were forward thinkers. They would ask everyone's experience and get them involved in new things. I think when you get well rounded, it helps you a lot even if you still "specialize" in 1 or 2 things. When I was taking night classes, I would also ask the foreman if we had certain things coming up & could I be involved in them. I had never terminated a transformer at the time we studied them. I asked the foreman and he brought me into the next one on the job. I think most foreman appreciate the interest and will keep it in mind.

I also see a lot of people who do not read or write well. That is a hindrance when takng classes, following procedure manuals, reading prints, etc. All are challenging enough as they are. A poor reader can easily get lost and have to depend on others to interpret for him.

Lack of attention to detail. Labeling conduits, boxes and wire on a commercial job save a lot of time and confusion later. No one can keep it all in his head & if different people do different stages of work, labeling is very important. If a panel has layered neutral and ground bars, the rear bars should always be used first. I have cursed dozens of people who landed the front spaces, forcing me to pick through to the rear for a later install. On the other hand, I once worked a job where another co. had roughed in the building when built. It was a divided office building & this section was yet to be rented out. They had piped to every section, marked every pipe and box and made notes in the panel room of any oddities. They had run as much conduit as possible up to the slab, above the bar joists and 90'd down to j boxes. They left a lot of the prime space open for follow up work. Out of several hundred boxes, I found less than 5 labeling errors of any kind. That was 1st class work.

I worked 1 job where we had to color code our conduits; black, red, green, orange, yellow, etc. for different apps. We mostly gave it a quick spray and held it to a heater to dry. The guy piping the panel room made some paper sleeves, painted about a foot, leaving 6 inches or so at the end and labeled there. Easy to spot and neat as it could be. Clean, neat work gives a sense of order and encourages others to do better work too.

Foremen & superintendents should insure the right materials are on a job. Mechanics & helpers should not have to scavage from other trades for beam clamps, rod, etc. Proper brackets & screws assure that device boxes do not wobble or push back into the wall later on. If possible, a big job should have a supply man, keeping materials ordered and organized. Good job for a guy needing light duty because of an injury or sickness.

All this helps if troubleshooting does have to be done later. Saves many headaches.
 
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All of the quality, in-depth training comes at a cost......In
the U. S. military, they provide access to the quality training
schools, courses, seminars, etc......The U.S. Armed Forces
has a lot more funding than most, and yes, ...today, it is
"hurry up" with everything.

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gents....I have been working closely out here in AFHGN with a number of Brits and I am constantly surprise by how much knowledge they have not just on the installation of electrical systems but also on the attitude they have towards inspecting and testing facilities following completion.
When are we going to get our heads from up our butts and get with these guys and start training ourselves on the theretical side of inspection and testing our installs.

Myself (And many others here) have made thier entire careers out of commisioning new installs and yes that requires a strong theory background. It is usually done by a specialist company, not the one doing the install, which is better (3rd party verification)
 
Myself (And many others here) have made thier entire careers out of commisioning new installs and yes that requires a strong theory background. It is usually done by a specialist company, not the one doing the install, which is better (3rd party verification)

Yep. Nearly every spec I see requires third party inspections with detailed testing specs.
Something you don't want to overlook in your bid.
 
gents....I have been working closely out here in AFHGN with a number of Brits and I am constantly surprise by how much knowledge they have not just on the installation of electrical systems but also on the attitude they have towards inspecting and testing facilities following completion.


I have done a little work in Afghanistan and from what I saw all the inspections and testing were the requirements of Dyncorp International before they would accept a contract to maintain those buildings.

I sure wish people were throwing money around here the way they are in Afghanistan.
 
I tell people there is a big difference between a career electrician and someone who just punches a time clock to get paid, many get into this field because they are told of the money they can make and how easy it is to learn which most of know that these are myths, as with any job or career if you don't apply yourself to learn everything about the job your are doing then you will never go anywhere, many get into electrical work and then find out it can be hard dirty work, climbing through attics and crawl spaces, as well as the frustration of fishing wires up walls and trying to find ways to get wires run in old houses without damaging walls.

Many get a job with a contractor but never learn the basics of electricity, they become just installers without any theory as to why they are doing something a certain way, in some cases there is no incentive to learn as the pay is the same if you have full collage degrees or just a high school diploma, many places only pay you for the years you have with the company and is not based upon your knowledge so you end up working for the same amount of money that someone out of high school gets, I think this is one of the biggest deterrents for many to further their careers and knowledge and they never move up.

It is sad that the US has gone this way in some cases, as it really lowers the incentive to become a career electrician, I was lucky because I worked for companies who did promote better knowledge better pay, and even helped me to go back to school to get my degrees which has served me well, I have been a career electrician for a long time, and the feeling when you have the correct knowledge to know why verses just know how to install things makes a big difference on how happy you become with your work, your tend to have more pride in your work, and you trust your judgment when making decisions on how something something must be done instead of guessing.
 
Wayne, you are certainly one of the best examples of an electrician that I know. I'll never have the knowledge that you've probably already forgotten, but I aspire, thanks to you and a few others I've known over the years. Thanks! :)
 
Many young boys now coming into the trade have no basic knowledge of tools. Most boys in the past at least knew how to use hammers, screwdrivers, etc. I have seen several green helpers that I had to teach how to hammer nails, how to use the right size screwdrivers, etc. Of the handful of girls I have seen coming in, a few of them knew their tools better than the boys. They were more motivated.

This is true for all hands on mechanical knowledge types of jobs. I blame the child labor laws. I understand the reasoning behind them, but at same time our 18 and 19 year olds know nothing about using tools like they did 30+ years ago because they were not allowed to even have much experience with them until reaching that age. I was 11-12 years old mowing lawns and doing my own maintenance and repairs to my equipment. Today it is too dangerous for someone that age to operate the machines even though they have much more safety devices on them than they did then:(. I was also helping with construction related trades at that age sometimes - mostly framing. I used power saws and other power tools, today that is not allowed, yet we wonder why there is no skilled workers in the 18-25 year old range, the ones that will become skilled are still learning the basics.
 
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