Inspector almost cost me a callback

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ivsenroute

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Florida
Customer had a hot tub installed last year. Hires a professional electrician to wire it for him. Permit paperwork gets lost at the municipality and it is never inspected. Hot tub in use for one year now.

Muni finds the open permit and comes out to inspect. Installation fails because the schmuck never installed a disco outside within site. Just used a GFCI breaker at the panel inside the house out of site. EC is now nowhere to be found.

I am hired to add a disco outside and do so.

This morning, 2 weeks later, I get a phone call from the homeowner telling me his hot tub is not heating and he is afraid it is going to freeze so he wants me there ASAP. I am now wondering what I did wrong that could cause the problem 2 weeks later.

I tell if the controls work and the pumps work then he needs a hot tub tech to come out, not me. Then he proceeds to say that it has not worked right since the inspector came out on Friday. I asked what the inspector did and he told me he pulled the disco out to make sure it worked then put it back in.

The pumps work, it has power to the controllers but there is no heat.

I asked him to turn off the breaker and go out to the disco and tell me if it looked like it was in all the way. Apparently not, he pulled and reconnected the disco and now it looks like both phases are making contact.

I guess the inspector was too weak to push it back in all the way.

OK, I vented. This was an hour drive for me so I was relieved.
 

r_merc

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Location
North Carolina
residential Application

residential Application

There isn't a requirement for a Disco to be within site of in a residential application
Commercial yes...Resi NO

Rick
 

brantmacga

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Georgia
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There isn't a requirement for a Disco to be within site of in a residential application
Commercial yes...Resi NO

Rick

what about the listing of the tub though?

the directions for most hot tubs i install require a disconnect within sight, and its even printed on the side of the electrical enclosure.

i've just started including it in the price of every one i do, before i see the tub, because it will most likely be required by the tub manufacturer.

am i wrong to assume we have to install it if the manufacturer requires it?
 

r_merc

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Location
North Carolina
Depends

Depends

It depends on the Hot Tub. Most have recommended Installations but then say refer to local codes. There is one brand that I can think of the you will have to install a 4 circuit panel. Requires both a 2 pole 20 and 30 GFI Breakers.

Rick
 

iwire

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Location
Massachusetts
There isn't a requirement for a Disco to be within site of in a residential application
Commercial yes...Resi NO

Rick

Disconnect within site of the motor regardless of the location.

There is no requirement for an "emergency switch" at a dwelling. 680.41 (2005)
 

ivsenroute

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Location
Florida
680.12 requires a disco within sight.

680.41 is not a disco and does not apply to SFDs

I was just venting a little since as an inspector I am always nervous about missing something when I get inspected as a contractor.

It always amazes me the difference of opinion on just about every single subject. This is one of the reasons this site is fantastic.
 
I was invited to the big hot tub showroom this Saturday to be a vendor on their customer appreciation day.
They refer a lot of business to us (refer about 30 hot tubs a year. We get about 20-22 of them...)

Every hot tub I have installed is required to have the disco... in sight.

Bob is right: 680.12 says they are in sight.
680.41 is for the safety switch... if the unit has one. None of the ones I install do. I tried this on an inspector once... the inspection went bad very quickly.
680.42 refers us back to outdoor pool installation guidelines.

And, you're right... this site is fantastic!
 
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