Is Google leaving battery storage

Looks like a tech bro investor scam to me. 75% round trip efficiency? I don't think so. And how big is this damn thing? For the amount of energy stored it's got to be crazy big
 
Looks like a tech bro investor scam to me.
Google is famous for experimental services that don't last long.
75% round trip efficiency? I don't think so.
Does that beat pumping water into towers, for gravity recovery thru turbines?
And how big is this damn thing? For the amount of energy stored it's got to be crazy big
Fabric dome appears nearly ~50 yards wide, and several football fields long.

Wont fit in most backyards
 
Does that beat pumping water into towers, for gravity recovery thru turbines?
Pumped hydro is about 75 - 80%. And you're never going to build towers that hold enough to make it worth doing. Typically the amount of water needed is massive. A horsepower is the power to lift 33,000 lbs one foot in one minute, so you need something like that falling to produce one horsepower for one minute. That's 746 watts. Or suppose you had a tower 100 feet high, you'd need 330 lbs of water falling every minute to produce one HP. And that isn't even allowing for losses. So to make this thing produce one hp for an hour you'd need 2,475 gallons of water at the top of your 100 foot tower. It gets impractical really fast.

Fabric dome appears nearly ~50 yards wide, and several football fields long.
And that is expanded gas at slightly above atmospheric, I can't even imagine what the exhaust of that turbine puts out, but the volume will be huge. My guess is that that thing will only produce significant amounts of power for a minute or two.

Every time I hear a tech bro talk about energy, all I can think is it's got to be an investor scam. Retail investors find out the great GOOGLE has invested in it and then think it's legit. They run the price up, Google pulls out, and the retail investors get left holding the bag. Probably a couple of Google executives or their friends shorting the stock just in time for the fall
 
Looks like a tech bro investor scam to me. 75% round trip efficiency? I don't think so.

Poor round trip efficiency is fine if the cost per kWh capacity is low enough. Solar production is essentially free at peak times but energy storage is expensive, so if you can cut your capital costs of energy storage you can be economically viable.

And how big is this damn thing? For the amount of energy stored it's got to be crazy big

Yes, the cost of land will be a significant factor in the equation. Also the are quiet about the thermal storage needed, turning CO2 liquid into gas requires heat.

A similar tech that I think makes more sense is ocean floor compressed air energy storage.
 
Poor round trip efficiency is fine if the cost per kWh capacity is low enough. Solar production is essentially free at peak times but energy storage is expensive, so if you can cut your capital costs of energy storage you can be economically viable.

Yes, the cost of land will be a significant factor in the equation. Also the are quiet about the thermal storage needed, turning CO2 liquid into gas requires heat.

A similar tech that I think makes more sense is ocean floor compressed air energy storage.
It appears energydome.com avoids the patent office, with off the self equipment, and wont verify or validate engineering in public domains.
 
My guess is that that thing will only produce significant amounts of power for a minute or two.
One would expect Gates, and others were privy to a prototype, or proof of concept, before Google jumped onboard.

Long-Term Energy Storage (LTES) was always needed for renewables, but slow coming, much less without subsidy to challenge TACO coal, or develop alternatives to Lithium.

To keep renewables going Angle money has stepped up. However a monstrosity, off-the-shelf LTES was selected as viable.
www.latitudemedia.com/news/google-bets-on-carbon-dioxide-battery-startup-energy-dome/
 
And that is expanded gas at slightly above atmospheric, I can't even imagine what the exhaust of that turbine puts out, but the volume will be huge. My guess is that that thing will only produce significant amounts of power for a minute or two.

They are claiming 8 hour 'discharge time', meaning the ratio of energy capacity to power capacity. I've not done a back of the envelope calculation to confirm this.

It appears energydome.com avoids the patent office, with off the self equipment, and wont verify or validate engineering in public domains.

They certainly claim to have patents, and a quick search pulls up:

There is nothing esoteric in this technology. Similar to the 'gravity battery' concept calculating the ROI and actual viability could be done by a college freshman. How much does it cost to build? How much space will it take up (cost of land)? How much energy can it store? How frequently can it be used?

My guess: The technology works, and the technology itself is cheap enough to use for load leveling, but that the cost of land will make it too expensive to implement near population centers. It might work nicely for solar powered data centers placed in the middle of nowhere.

-Jonathan
 
Long-Term Energy Storage (LTES) was always needed for renewables, but slow coming, much less without subsidy to challenge TACO coal, or develop alternatives to Lithium.

On their web page, they compare the cost of their system with lithium ion. The say that lithium ion costs 1.7x what their system costs. If that number is per unit power capacity, and they really have a discharge time of 8 hours (lithium is 2-4 hours), then they are significantly cheaper than lithium, but not cheap enough for 'long term energy storage'.

-Jonathan
 
I predict that it's going to be just like this rediculas thing and it's animation that might impress a 3rd grade classroom


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