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[powerslave]

The part I liked best was the flourescent lighting. The work was first class and he used the best material money could save him...[/SIZE]

He just screwed it to the ceiling here

maybe he worked in a tennis club...notice the remote ballast install...NICE!!!

Of course these will need to be switched, there were several of these switched from this location.

Maybe it's just me but I don't see any UL stickers on those "fixtures".:grin:

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

You will not see a UL sticker, as these are UG rated fixtures...:grin:



The homeowner called me today to discuss this job, as there were so many violations I considered hazardous to the homeowner and family, that I notified the building department and recommended the corrections to be performed.
The homeowner in turn told me that the agreement to buy the house with the prior owner was for the owner to have certain electrical items corrected.
Well it seems that the person who performed the changes (which included a service upgrade- full of violations) is not a licensed electrician.
Now we are in the process of bringing him up on charges of working without a permit, working without a license and the utility company is going to see to it that he has an issue with tampering with their equipment.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

Its NY just what whee you hoping for ?????????????
Just hold hand out,collect 2o and go to next job

 

[tallguy]

I know times are tough and we want to save the customer a buck, this may have stretched that philosophy a bit much...

Couple items that I thought interesting/ironic:

1) Someone (and can't blame this on the "electrician") plugged what looks like a washing machine or other heavy appliance cord into the light socket receptacle.

2) Someone was presumably concerned that the unused light socket might be a hazard, so they thoughtfully put some tape to cover it.

:roll:

You could have a field day with "spot the violation" with this one picture.... Note the brown lamp cord, for instance.

 

[tallguy]

that's my point...and while ugly, and quite dangerous, they worked for years and no one died, nothing burnt down.

That's a bit like saying: "See, he went over Niagara Falls in a barrel and survived, we don't need a law against that!"

So, the former HO's got lucky, simple as that. Lots and lots of people used pennies in their fuse box their whole lives and never saw a problem with it since nothing bad ever happened. Dumb luck.

i'm not saying it's how we should do everything, i'm saying we've gone overboard in the opposite direction...

Maybe. I like my chances with the code though.

 

[peter d]

I must give the man credit where credit is due. He saved himself a whole $14.99 by making his own lights rather than going to the big box and buying a shop light.

And he did use a Carlon Zip Box to enclose that switch. He could have just as easily screwed it to the beam.

C'mon people, let's look on the bright side here!

 

[emahler]

That's a bit like saying: "See, he went over Niagara Falls in a barrel and survived, we don't need a law against that!"

So, the former HO's got lucky, simple as that. Lots and lots of people used pennies in their fuse box their whole lives and never saw a problem with it since nothing bad ever happened. Dumb luck.

Maybe. I like my chances with the code though.

in all fairness, I'm also against seatbelt and helmet laws...

but there are too many installations like this, in place for too long, for it to be just "dumb luck"

people have managed to live in houses for 50+ years with no GFCI's, or TR recpt, or many other code requirements....i just think that maybe we are going overboard...

 

[tallguy]

in all fairness, I'm also against seatbelt and helmet laws...

but there are too many installations like this, in place for too long, for it to be just "dumb luck"

people have managed to live in houses for 50+ years with no GFCI's, or TR recpt, or many other code requirements....i just think that maybe we are going overboard...

I'm with you on the TR.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

There are many items in the NEC and other local codes that can be argued - such as why do we need a second ground rod...I know why, I do not understand why - it is just our obligation to install to code, whether we like the codes or not.

 

[emahler]

There are many items in the NEC and other local codes that can be argued - such as why do we need a second ground rod...I know why, I do not understand why - it is just our obligation to install to code, whether we like the codes or not.

Pierre, I'm not advocating ignoring the codes...but we have done it to ourselves...half the codes we deal with were created by one of us...many from guys on this very board...and we've just gone way overboard....

 

[powerslave]

Pierre, I'm not advocating ignoring the codes...but we have done it to ourselves...half the codes we deal with were created by one of us...many from guys on this very board...and we've just gone way overboard....

I have to say I agree to an extent. Being from the Chicago area where most existing and all new resi electrical must be in EMT conduit. Does this mean the rest of the country who do it in NM and carlon boxes just have "dumb luck"? Show me proof that Chicago has less electrical fires than the rest of the country. Maybe this proof exists but I haven't seen it yet.

I'm just sayin'.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

Pierre, I'm not advocating ignoring the codes...but we have done it to ourselves...half the codes we deal with were created by one of us...many from guys on this very board...and we've just gone way overboard....

I was not trying to imply that you are ignoring code requirements.


I also agree that some code requirements seem to be based on..."what"?

Sometimes all we can do is follow what is written.

Look at some towns zoning laws...they tell you what color to paint, what windows are acceptable, etc...

We live in a society that protects us from us...whoever us may be. :grin:

 

[emahler]

I was not trying to imply that you are ignoring code requirements.


I also agree that some code requirements seem to be based on..."what"?

Sometimes all we can do is follow what is written.

Look at some towns zoning laws...they tell you what color to paint, what windows are acceptable, etc...

We live in a society that protects us from us...whoever us may be. :grin:

that's because some of you need to be protected from you....it's a shame that I'm collateral damage

 

[wbalsam1]

Pierre, I'm not advocating ignoring the codes...but we have done it to ourselves...half the codes we deal with were created by one of us...many from guys on this very board...and we've just gone way overboard....

I agree whole-heartedly. To best describe it all, I love the saying "A camel is a horse designed by a committee". It so much fits with the crafting of code language. :smile: