tonype
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Do the bundling rules apply when conductors are placed together, but are not tied together with zip ties or other means?
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Is this "bundling"
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Hendrix
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- New England
IMO, no.:happysad:
kwired
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- NE Nebraska
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Put same conductors in a big raceway and it is bundling though.
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Bundling, nope. :blink:
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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IMO, that pushes the limit to what could be considered bundling. I would not do an install like that.
I agree that it is pushing the limit, and I'm interested in what one of the inspectors in the forum think, The whole AHJ thing...
stickboy1375
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How do you know those wires were not snaked from point "A" to "B" I don't see an issue at all with that install. its called a real work environment.
kwired
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Maybe I should change what I said for clarification purposes- If you put same cables in a raceway they may not be "bundled" but still require deration for number of cables in a raceway just like they also would if they were bound together. Now picture the chase they are pulled through to be just as effective at retaining heat as a similar sized raceway or wireway.
PEDRO ESCOVILLA
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because they are not tie wrapped or in a pipe, no, it's not "bundled" just crappy workmanship. people need to learn about "stack its", and what a difference they can make on the cleanliness of an electrical house rough in. i push 'em here, cause i see this all the time. messy is all
there ain't many problem that a man can't fix, with $700.00 and a 30.06
there ain't many problem that a man can't fix, with $700.00 and a 30.06
qcroanoke
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I agree. Some things you just do because there is no other way to do it.
kwired
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- NE Nebraska
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And if they were fished through that space? Sure looks like that is a good possibility.
construct
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IMO the black and white of the definition of 'bundling' says this install is not bundling
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
And that makes no sense-- If I tie wrap 10 cables together every 4 feet and they are spread out in between then IMO that is not bundling. In this image I see many wires laying atop of another and I see it as bundling. The fact is what an inspector says here has no bearing on what one states somewhere else. It is a judgement call. I would rather err on the side where it can't be questioned. Spread them out a bit and no issues at all.
Hold on there captain. I didn't try to ruffle feathers with the post, I was interested in an inspectors point of view along with the others that have posted. In your earlier post you said it pushes the limit of bundling. I took that to mean you didn't think it was bundling.
I merely stated that I agreed that it wasn't bundling per the definition, and that I agreed with you that it pushes the limit.
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I didn't take it that way. I was stating that the definition for bundling is not very good because when you tie wrap every "X" feet it means nothing unless the cables are left in a bundle. The code does not give us a clear answer as to what bundling is and we have no idea what the distance required would be to space the conductors.
I was just pointing out that in the end your AHJ will make the decision and what we say here will make no difference. It is good to know what others think but this will be an interpretation.
. Well it can go either way. IMO it is bundling
I was not attacking you.
Fair enough. Doesn't the definition of bundling in the code cover it adequately?
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