Is this panel to code?
- Thread starter sleuth255
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- Bremerton, Washington
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- Master Electrician
Re: Is this panel to code?
yes see section 110.26(A)(2). The width does not have to be centered.
Now the door is another issue.
Whats the violation for?
yes see section 110.26(A)(2). The width does not have to be centered.
Now the door is another issue.
Whats the violation for?
- Location
- Lockport, IL
- Occupation
- Semi-Retired Electrical Engineer
Re: Is this panel to code?
No "panic hardware"?
bphgravity
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- Florida
Re: Is this panel to code?
I like the water pipe crossing above.
I like the water pipe crossing above.
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- Massachusetts
Re: Is this panel to code?
If the panel face is recessed into the opening IMO that causes two violations.
110.26(A)(2) Width of Working Space and 110.26(A)(3)Height of Working Space.
If the panel face is recessed into the opening IMO that causes two violations.
110.26(A)(2) Width of Working Space and 110.26(A)(3)Height of Working Space.
pierre
Senior Member
- Location
- Westchester County, New York
Re: Is this panel to code?
It is hard to tell with the picture, but this is a typical installation that we see for existing panels in basements when the basement is finished at a date after the panel was originally installed.
If the panel cover is flush with the wall surface, I do not see a problem. The hinge on the door makes it look as though this may be. The pipe above the panel is in front of the panel and does not create any violations, close but no cigar .
It is hard to tell with the picture, but this is a typical installation that we see for existing panels in basements when the basement is finished at a date after the panel was originally installed.
If the panel cover is flush with the wall surface, I do not see a problem. The hinge on the door makes it look as though this may be. The pipe above the panel is in front of the panel and does not create any violations, close but no cigar
.jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: Is this panel to code?
Agreed it is a violation but i dought most inspectors would tag it.Looks like someone finished a basement and wanted to hide the panel.I see no real safety hazard with it.
Agreed it is a violation but i dought most inspectors would tag it.Looks like someone finished a basement and wanted to hide the panel.I see no real safety hazard with it.
ty
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- 3rd Rock from the Sun
Re: Is this panel to code?
What problems do you see???
What problems do you see???
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- Massachusetts
Re: Is this panel to code?
What did you do with Pierre?
He would not care what is commonly found.
What did you do with Pierre?
He would not care what is commonly found.
Re: Is this panel to code?
Thanks for the info. The panel is indeed recessed about 4 inches into the opening although the right opening panel door goes well beyond the 90 degree requirement. The cover is also easily removed.
However, it would appear that the recess is what causes the violations here. I suppose the only remedy is to either move the panel forward 4" or move 30" of wall backward 4". Are there any other remedies?
Thanks for the info. The panel is indeed recessed about 4 inches into the opening although the right opening panel door goes well beyond the 90 degree requirement. The cover is also easily removed.
However, it would appear that the recess is what causes the violations here. I suppose the only remedy is to either move the panel forward 4" or move 30" of wall backward 4". Are there any other remedies?
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: Is this panel to code?
I blowed the picture up and it looks like maybe 3 inches recessed.But its serviceable without risk.I say let it slide
I blowed the picture up and it looks like maybe 3 inches recessed.But its serviceable without risk.I say let it slide
peter d
Senior Member
- Location
- New England
Re: Is this panel to code?
Blowed?
- Location
- Massachusetts
Re: Is this panel to code?
Blowed.
Often used like this.
The wind gone and blowed my trailer over.
Blowed.
Often used like this.
The wind gone and blowed my trailer over.
peter d
Senior Member
- Location
- New England
Re: Is this panel to code?
Ahhh...thanks Bob, my Southernese isn't too good.
Ahhh...thanks Bob, my Southernese isn't too good.
pierre
Senior Member
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- Westchester County, New York
Re: Is this panel to code?
Jim
If you were to become an inspector, one thing you would learn real fast is that "letting it slide" does not work - legally or otherwise. It is not up to the inspector to "let it slide". It is up to the inspector to enforce the code (whichever code that may be) as written.
The OP mentioned that the panel is recessed 4 inches. If you are permitting him the 4 inches, where does that stop. The next guy might want 6 inches, the guy after that says the 10 inches is the best he can do. As you can see this type of situation can easily get out of hand. That is why everyone gets treated the same - fairly - by following code as written.
BTW: I would be hard pressed to have corrections made in the situation pictured here, but I have learned that once all know that they are to follow the code, it is generally understood and they will try. (with a few words mumbled under their breath )
Jim
If you were to become an inspector, one thing you would learn real fast is that "letting it slide" does not work - legally or otherwise. It is not up to the inspector to "let it slide". It is up to the inspector to enforce the code (whichever code that may be) as written.
The OP mentioned that the panel is recessed 4 inches. If you are permitting him the 4 inches, where does that stop. The next guy might want 6 inches, the guy after that says the 10 inches is the best he can do. As you can see this type of situation can easily get out of hand. That is why everyone gets treated the same - fairly - by following code as written.
BTW: I would be hard pressed to have corrections made in the situation pictured here, but I have learned that once all know that they are to follow the code, it is generally understood and they will try. (with a few words mumbled under their breath
)jimwalker
Senior Member
- Location
- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: Is this panel to code?
I never werz good at englash
I never werz good at englash
jimwalker
Senior Member
- Location
- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: Is this panel to code?
So do we blew up ballons or blow them up
[ December 12, 2005, 08:19 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
So do we blew up ballons or blow them up
[ December 12, 2005, 08:19 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
- Location
- Henrico County, VA
- Occupation
- Electrical Contractor
Re: Is this panel to code?
Now, let's be fair, Roger. It is entirely possible that Jim "blowed the picture up" just as he said. We probably would have enlarged it, however.
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