Island pop-up receptacle

[H U G G Y]

I am wrestling with finding an affordable resolution to island countertop pop-ups. My customer really likes the Arlington FLB4400UBL.
it advertises as a countertop box, but digging further it is not UL listed as such. Searching for opinions, alternatives to offer my customer. I am getting brain mushed in trying to find a solution. [ yes this is truly an "island" not connected to any other kitchen cabinetry, just a long breakfast counter, with drawers, no sink, no wet bar etc.... no water involved at all ] Thanks in advance

 

[don_resqcapt19]

As far as I know, the only one on the market that is actually listed for countertop use is the Hubbell one.
Many others hint or imply that they are suitable for the purpose, but are not actually listed for the purpose as required by the code rule.

In my opinion, the island has a countertop for the application of this rule.

So you are saying that no liquids would ever be spilled at a breakfast bar? You might be able to make a case to your AHJ that this is a work surface and not a countertop. (of course, if I was the AHJ, I am calling it a countertop) There are a lot more options for work surfaces, however you have to be careful there too, as many are listed as furniture power units and that equipment cannot be installed in a fixed in place island.

 

[charlie b]

I suppose you have already considered and rejected any options for installing an outlet on a side wall of the island?

 

[James L]

I've used Lew Electric pop-ups.
They say they are UL listed in USA, and I take their word for it

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[H U G G Y]

i did not say no liquids would ever be spilled, just that there is no "source", other than something getting spilled. The owner just call this an island. It could be called just a work counter/surface.

 

[H U G G Y]

Charlie B. correct. They have no desire for the side mounts. They are aware of the inherent problems with this methodology. They do not want their g-kids becoming another statistic.

 

[nizak]

Charlie B. correct. They have no desire for the side mounts. They are aware of the inherent problems with this methodology. They do not want their g-kids becoming another

Charlie B. correct. They have no desire for the side mounts. They are aware of the inherent problems with this methodology. They do not want their g-kids becoming another statistic.

Aren’t receptacles located on the side now prohibited?

 

[don_resqcapt19]

I've used Lew Electric pop-ups.
They say they are UL listed in USA, and I take their word for it

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Unless they have made a recent change, when you dig into their listing you will find it is not compliant with 406.5(E).
They tell you that is it compliant with UL 498, but nowhere do they tell you it is compliant with Section 146 of UL 498. 406.5(E) requires compliance with Section 146.
There are a number of brands out there that do this same thing. Their product is a listed product, but not listed to the requirements of Section 146 of UL 498, and therefore not permitted in countertops.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

i did not say no liquids would ever be spilled, just that there is no "source", other than something getting spilled. The owner just call this an island. It could be called just a work counter/surface.

You have to ask YOUR AHJ...I would see it as a countertop and require product that complies with 406.5(E).

 

[wwhitney]

Unless they have made a recent change, when you dig into their listing you will find it is not compliant with 406.5(E).
They tell you that is it compliant with UL 498, but nowhere do they tell you it is compliant with Section 146 of UL 498. 406.5(E) requires compliance with Section 146.

The specs on that product say "2014 NEC code 406.5E for countertops". Has Section 146 changed since then?

Cheers, Wayne

 

[hillbilly1]

Didn’t they recently change the code to where undercounter receptacles were no longer allowed?

 

[don_resqcapt19]

The specs on that product say "2014 NEC code 406.5E for countertops". Has Section 146 changed since then?

Cheers, Wayne

Not the UL Standard, but the code rules. The rule in the 2014 code only required the assembly to be listed for use in countertops if the receptacle was installed in the face up position. The LEW device does not have the receptacle installed in a face up position, so it complied with the requirements in 406.5(E) in the 2014 code. Section 146 of UL 498 did not apply to that device.

(2014) Receptacles in Countertops and Similar Work Surfaces.
Receptacles, unless listed as receptacle assemblies for countertop applications, shall not be installed in a face-up position in countertops or similar work surfaces. Where receptacle assemblies for countertop applications are required to provide ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel in accordance with 210.8, such assemblies shall be permitted to be listed as GFCI receptacle assemblies for countertop applications.

(2017) Receptacles in Countertops.
Receptacle assemblies for installation in countertop surfaces shall be listed for countertop applications. Where receptacle assemblies for countertop applications are required to provide ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel in accordance with 210, such assemblies shall be permitted to be listed as GFCI receptacle assemblies for countertop applications.

The 2017 code change brought Section 146 into play for all receptacle assemblies installed in a countertop, not just those with a face up receptacle.
I think this is the source of the misleading information from a number of pop-up receptacle manufacturers. They are using language based on the 2014 code and not on the 2017 and newer codes.
There are multiple manufacturers that claim compliance with the current 406.5(E) requirements, but the only one that I can find that actually does comply is the Hubbell one.

 

[Crash117]

Not the UL Standard, but the code rules. The rule in the 2014 code only required the assembly to be listed for use in countertops if the receptacle was installed in the face up position. The LEW device does not have the receptacle installed in a face up position, so it complied with the requirements in 406.5(E) in the 2014 code. Section 146 of UL 498 did not apply to that device.


The 2017 code change brought Section 146 into play for all receptacle assemblies installed in a countertop, not just those with a face up receptacle.
I think this is the source of the misleading information from a number of pop-up receptacle manufacturers. They are using language based on the 2014 code and not on the 2017 and newer codes.
There are multiple manufacturers that claim compliance with the current 406.5(E) requirements, but the only one that I can find that actually does comply is the Hubbell one.

 

[Crash117]

I’ve had lots of positive reviews from customers using this one and no AHJ has rejected it.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

I’ve had lots of positive reviews from customers using this one and no AHJ has rejected it.

Very few AHJs will ever search the details of a listing.
If that is this one they make no claim of any type of listing and the installation of any pop-up that is supplied by a cord is a violation of 400.12(1). If it has a cord and is listed it would be listed as a furniture power unit, and is only listed for installation in moveable furniture. Not listed for use in any fixed countertop.

 

[Jpflex]

My stepson bought a house in 2022 but their was no island kitchen counter. So he added a kitten island but had no feeder going to it. What would be a good solution to not have to break up the cement foundation?


Someone once said run a dangling cable and receptacle with strain relief on top of the counter. Not sure thos would satisfy AHJ because the receptacle is detached

 

[H U G G Y]

I’ve had lots of positive reviews from customers using this one and no AHJ has rejected it.

Unfortunately crash, my customer really does not like these. I will have to see if my AHJ will accept the Arlington as described in their PDF.

 

[VirutalElectrician]

Unfortunately crash, my customer really does not like these. I will have to see if my AHJ will accept the Arlington as described in their PDF.

Confused. Looking at prices, it appears you can get the nicer looking Hubbell for cheaper?