jack chain hung Fluorescent

[boonespokane]

NEC 410.58 states that you must use stranded wire, does this code apply to jack chain hung fluorescents? we wired a shop with t-5 high bay fixtures, they are hung with jack chain and sold mc cable from a 4sq box zip tied to the chain, (there are no bends in the wire) down to the fixture.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

410.58? doesn't exist

 

[jumper]

410.56(E) Stranding. Stranded conductors shall be used for wiring
on luminaire chains and on other movable or flexible
parts.

This your question?

 

[boonespokane]

jack chain hung Fluorescent

sorry 410.28 e

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Clarify-- 410.56(E) is the 2008 NEC 410.28(E) is the 2005. It is the same

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I think that applies to the conductors that are run thru the chain on a chandelier.

 

[boonespokane]

yes it is the same.

 

[boonespokane]

thanks, that is what we thought also, now just have to convince our inspector.

 

[iMuse97]

thanks, that is what we thought also, now just have to convince our inspector.

Good luck with that.
"There are some people who, if they don't already know, you can't tell 'em." -- Yogi Berra

 

[iwire]

I think that applies to the conductors that are run thru the chain on a chandelier.

I think that is the intent, I am not sure the words limit it to that.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I agree it is a bit odd but it does say on luminaire chain. Now is the chain we add to support the fixture a part of the luminaire-- I don't think so. So, IMO, the intent is for the chain that is part of the luminaire.

 

[roger]

I agree it is a bit odd but it does say on luminaire chain. Now is the chain we add to support the fixture a part of the luminaire-- I don't think so. So, IMO, the intent is for the chain that is part of the luminaire.

Dennis, let's say you buy a "Swag Kit" for a fixture, it would not be a part of the luminaire as a package either.

Roger

 

[Dennis Alwon]

You are correct but the wire is interwoven in the chain. Do you think this applies to mc cable run to a fluorescent hanging from jack chain?

 

[jumper]

Do you think this applies to mc cable run to a fluorescent hanging from jack chain?

If it does, there are thousands of illegal installs out there. I never applied it in this situation.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

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[roger]

Do you think this applies to mc cable run to a fluorescent hanging from jack chain?

The problem is the words as they are written do not make a distinction of how the wiring is run, be it along the chain or laced through the it.

I also don't think this is the intent but it is how it's written and there is no solid argument to use with an inspector to defend a particular stance.

Roger

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Would this statement make more sense.

(E) Stranding. Stranded fixture wire shall be used for wiring on luminaire chains and on other moveable or flexible parts

 

[roger]

Would this statement make more sense.

(E) Stranding. Stranded fixture wire shall be used for wiring on luminaire chains and on other moveable or flexible parts

That still wouldn't allow solid conductors on a chain hung fixture.

There will need to be some wording excluding applications where FMT, FMC, MC, or AC with solid condutors are used, otherwise these wiring methods will need to use stranded conductors.

Roger

 

[realolman]

Seems to me the NEC is calling for stranded wire... whether that was the intent or not

off to the side... check the weight of the fixture and the load rating on the "jack chain" ...jack chain isn't rated for much

 

[iwire]

If it does, there are thousands of illegal installs out there. I never applied it in this situation.

I agree with you there, but I still think the NEC wording makes it a violation.