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nafis

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Location
Palestine,tx
I have been approached by somebody that would like to hire me so they can provide electrical contracting services for fixture installations, using my Master Electrician licensure. They will provide all advertising and schedule the work. The work will be performed by me. I submitted a list of questions for them and they have responded as indicated below. I would appreciate your thoughts/input on these terms.

? Who will schedule the work? The installation department (The Office)

? Am I expected to use my own vehicle? Will I pay for ( oil change , other services ). Yes, you will be using your own vehicle. Yes, you will pay for oil change and other services.

? Am I expected to use/provide my own tools or will they be provided by ((employer))? You will need to have your own tools to start

? Are materials (wiring, switches, etc.) provided by ((employer)) or reimbursed by ((employer))? Reimbursed by ((employer)) but deducted from the total job

? Am I allowed to work for my existing clients outside of ((employer)), provided it does not interfere with my ability to fulfill the terms of my agreement with ((employer))? Once ((employer)) is using your license you can?t work for your existing clients, unless it goes through ((employer)) like any other job.
? Do you have a proposed exit strategy? What do you mean by exit strategy?
? What percentage of installation fees charged to the customer will I be paid? %45 mines expenses ( material and helper)
. Am I paid for my license? No

? How will I be compensated for service calls? The service call will be $95. You will get paid 45% of that. $42.75 per service call plus mileage.

? How will I be compensated for my service for replacing a fixture that was previously installed and determined to be defective at the time of the original installation?
If it?s a product issue, the store will pay for the charge

? When it is necessary for me to provide an on-site estimate or consultation for a customer, how much will I be paid? Free estimate and consultation?

? If I sell products to a customer while on an installation or service call, will I be paid commission on the sale and how much? No commission on the product because there is always a sales person or a store attached to each customer.

? Is payroll done biweekly, monthly? Is it direct deposit or check . Payroll is done twice a month, and you will receive a check, however if you like you have the option of direct deposit.

? What are the benefits (health insurance, life insurance, disability, vacation, sick leave, 401k/other retirement)? who is the carrier , and is the benefits transferable . Our provider is Blue Cross. You can have health insurance, life insurance about $100000 also because you will be full time you will be eligible for vacation hours and sick leave, also 401k

? Will I be reimbursed for mileage? And how this mileage is determine? Yes, you will be reimbursed for mileage. It?s determined from job to job, and monitored and checked in detail before processed.

? How often are expense reimbursements compensated? Every two week with your invoices and receipts.

? Will I be compensated for travel time from customer to customer? No. you will get paid for mileage and the %45 of the job you do

? If compensation is based upon the salesperson?s estimate of installation time and they underestimate the amount of time an installation will take, will I be compensated for the additional time and how much will I be paid? Before, starting each job you will go over the job. If there is a need for price change you or the salesperson will talk to the customer about the price difference before starting. If customer doesn?t agree to the price the job doesn?t get done. There will be no compensation for additional work that?s not paid by the customer, unless it?s a defective product.

? How much will ((employer)) pay my full-time, permanent helper? $8 to $10 an hour is how much we usually get helpers for

? What if I need more than one person to help complete a difficult installation (high ceiling, large/heavy fixture, etc.)? We can ask Gary to coordinate to have additional help. We cant use an outside source.

? Who will pay for liability and business insurance? ((employer))

? Who will pay for auto insurance? You will.
 

Mr. Wizard

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Location
Texas
I absolutely would have nothing to do with that. They aren't looking for an electrician, they're looking for a sucker with a license. Run the other way!
 

Mule

Senior Member
Location
Oklahoma
are you low on work?......If you have the masters license, you can create work as well as someone else IMO....hire yourself a salesman on commission if you have to.....stay in control....Dont sell your soul, unless its absolutely a nesesicity, and if so talk to a attorney....
 

Buck Parrish

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Location
NC & IN
My opinion. I don't like it and would not do it.
It's your license. Tell him you will run the company and be the boss and then hire him. :wink: And he can pay for his own gas and oil for his truck.:D
 

Cow

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Location
Eastern Oregon
Occupation
Electrician
? Am I allowed to work for my existing clients outside of ((employer)), provided it does not interfere with my ability to fulfill the terms of my agreement with ((employer))? Once ((employer)) is using your license you can?t work for your existing clients, unless it goes through ((employer)) like any other job.

I stopped reading at this one. Now THAT is funny.

:rolleyes:
 

nakulak

Senior Member
tell them you will be happy to give them bids on their work, all other bets are off (unless you are in dire straights this seems to be a rather poor arrangement)
 

cadpoint

Senior Member
Location
Durham, NC
Your questions look like a Business out-line, (is that correct)?

It just looks like all the things your doing every, no, yes...

Can you do that in TX ?>

How does all this make you feel ? :D
 

480sparky

Senior Member
Location
Iowegia
Send them your standard contract for doing this type of work. State what your charges are, and how & when you expect to get paid.

They are not only looking for a sucker with a license, you are literally their employee, even though they state they are hiring you as a contractor.

If they call all the shots, in terms of pay, hours, etc., you are an employee, not a contractor.
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
I would appreciate your thoughts/input on these terms.
? Who will pay for liability and business insurance? ((employer))

? Who will pay for auto insurance? You will.

well, it is their offer, so it's what they would like to see happen.....

the liability, and insurance, is interesting.

in calif., there is a 1 year warranty on work, and a 10 year latent defects
liability on work performed.

where are these chucklebunny's gonna be in 9 years.... :D

run.

just. run.
 

Duke E

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Location
Washington
100% of the risk for 45% of the reward? I would echo the other posts here and suggest you not have any further negotiations. I can easily foresee your costs exceeding the income provided. What?s your gut telling you?
 

quogueelectric

Senior Member
Location
new york
Ask them where they get thier drugs/liquor from as we want what they are serving. Sounds like lose-lose to me. I would rather stay at home and crank my dogs tail than put up with that with your license. If they want to be a partner let them get up in the morning strap thier tools on and crawl in a spider infested crawlspace with you at 7:02 am. Dont forget your nail apron and a tester. Then we can be partners. Oh by the way you are buying coffee today.
 
Im not much of the 'self employed'. But as far as negotiations go, this could just be a 'preliminary offer'. I would counter back, to help take the some of the risk off of you, or at least up the reward. I wouldnt just run, talk to them and see where it goes, then if you dont like it (no better offer) I would walk.
 

hardworkingstiff

Senior Member
Location
Wilmington, NC
I agree this looks like a run from deal.

I would not give someone else control of me/my license (that's what this deal looks like).

45% (what is %45?) of their estimate? I don't think so.

Maybe and hourly rate ($35+/-) + 45% of the profits.

I understand these are difficult times and you may need this income. Be careful.
 
taxes

taxes

If you do follow up with this company make sure you find out if they are taking taxes out (and at what point) or if you are a sub and will get a 1099 at the end of the year. makes a big difference

When I first started my own business, I did a part time thing, as a sub, with one of those national companies that flood the market with advertising. no license involved, no restrictions on my own customers, I found it to be toooooo much paperwork, and too much of an overall pain in the butt, for not enough pay, but it filled a few gaps early on before my business got rolling
 

growler

Senior Member
Location
Atlanta,GA
It's not much of a job offer even if they didn't want to use your license, your truck and your tools.

They are offering to let you work for about what the labor cost would be to start with for actual job time without any cost to themselves for the down time ( travel & slow peroids).

If you have any sort of job at the present I would keep it and do what work you can on your own.

Installing light fixtures isn't good work to get into on the small scale because the only real money is made on larger jobs useing cheap labor.
 
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