Just Called To get some advice

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david

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So what’s going on,

You know the electrical panel you installed a couple of years ago, and we are trying to install a sub- panel to it , when we did all our upstairs lights in our new addition we are building started to flicker

Mam, how did you get my name?
Your name was on the electrical panel on a green sticker

Oh, I am the electrical inspector that did a re-meter inspection on your service a couple of years ago

I left the house to look at what they had going on, I get there and they tell me they have been fallowing advise they received from the big box store

Base board heaters to three bed rooms 240 volts, three bedrooms, three circuits everything in the three bedrooms on three 20 amp 240 volt circuits

Neutral equipment ground ran to same neutral bus sub- panel,

Hit a basement keyless on the way to second floor addition, hot wire to silver screw, neutral wired to gold screw, concrete basement floor

Will make many happy here, no arcfault breakers

Junction in wall not dry walled yet but was going behind finished drywall

14 awg for stairway three way; was going to be on 20 amp circuit

I hate baseboard heat for bedrooms with little children, but can’t say it’s against code

Hopefully they end up with smoke/carbon detectors

Edit, no tamper resistant rec
 
david said:
They have a permit for an addition, they told me been going on for five years, the jurisdiction changed authorities three different times during the permit period.
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Next time they go back to the "big box store" they should pick up their "how to" book on electrical and actually read it. Maybe it will keep the kids alive.
 
david said:
They have a permit for an addition, they told me been going on for five years, the jurisdiction changed authorities three different times during the permit period.
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To my understanding Penn has what is less than universal Accreditation , with even less applicable to it's bureaucratic oversight.....~RJ~
 
david said:
They have a permit for an addition, they told me been going on for five years, the jurisdiction changed authorities three different times during the permit period.
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So the sticker that had your name on it was a couple of years old, yet the permit for the addition for which they are installing the subpanel has been going on for five years, and, your evidently not the authority in that jurisdiction anymore, yet, out of the blue they call you, and, you decide to go take a look at something that evidently you have no involvement in anymore?

Really?


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jap said:
Really?JAP>
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Skepticism
I’ll add to that they are relativity poor with small children running around and they were not charged for the visit, I actually thought I would find a neutral service problem but that metered out OK

You have to understand PA system of electrical inspections, first I’m not sure of the date the service was inspected did not check, just took her word for it. The date of the inspection had no implications on their current problem

When you do a service upgrade for a dwelling you do not need an authority’s inspection
You do need a certified electrical inspector as a consultant to approve the service on behalf of a utility company regulation

The utility also requires a non-authority electrical inspection when tampering or power has been off for a period of time the utility has determined as to long without certification from an electrical inspector

When one of the three above are required by utility REG you cannot issue a violation just an approval if the service meets utility requirements in part based on the NEC

They called thinking they were calling an electrician at least that what she said, originally to ask some advise on what they were doing wrong assuming their problem was the sub panel they installed

The sticker was a re-meter inspection

This was not a service upgrade so the implications would be the power was turned off for some reason that prompted the utility to require the service to be inspected
 
jap said:
So the sticker that had your name on it was a couple of years old, yet the permit for the addition for which they are installing the subpanel has been going on for five years, and, your evidently not the authority in that jurisdiction anymore, yet, out of the blue they call you, and, you decide to go take a look at something that evidently you have no involvement in anymore?

Really?


JAP>
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The addition, framing to finish including plumbing, electrical, energy, drywall, HAVC will have to be inspected and approved by the jurisdictions authority
I do know the authority's inspector and have talked to him
 
So are you involved in this as an Inspector, An Electrician, or, just a Good Samaritan who received the phone call and is trying to help them out is all I'm trying to figure out.

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jap said:
So are you involved in this as an Inspector, An Electrician, or, just a Good Samaritan who received the phone call and is trying to help them out is all I'm trying to figure out.

JAP>
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Initially I received a phone call from them wanting advice about what they possible did wrong installing a sub-panel and I indicated it was hard to trouble shoot something over the phone

She then ask if I could please meet her and her farther there and look at the sub-panel installation. And when I sounded reluctant she said please and said she would see if her farther could pay me even if I came as a consultant.

During the conversation she mentioned the permit for the addition, I said I’ll call you back, got off the phone a gave the Authorities Electrical Inspector a call, He said he would not mind me going there but they don’t have any money to hire anyone.

They are wiring bedrooms for their small children and she said all the lights are flickering in the addition. When I got there they were keyless fixtures with LED lights and they were flickering

My involvement is now done and it is up to the Authorities Electrical Inspector
 
david said:
During the conversation she mentioned the permit for the addition, I said I’ll call you back, got off the phone a gave the Authorities Electrical Inspector a call, He said he would not mind me going there but they don’t have any money to hire anyone.

They are wiring bedrooms for their small children and she said all the lights are flickering in the addition. When I got there they were keyless fixtures with LED lights and they were flickering

My involvement is now done and it is up to the Authorities Electrical Inspector
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you asked for advice Dave>>>>

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~RJ~
 
"He said he would not mind me going there but they don’t have any money to hire anyone. "
Yet have the money to add an addition.
 
sameguy said:
"He said he would not mind me going there but they don’t have any money to hire anyone. "
Yet have the money to add an addition.
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That reminds me of something i once read, maybe you read it too

"For which of you, intending to build a tower, sits not down first, and counts the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish"
 
david said:
That reminds me of something i once read, maybe you read it too

"For which of you, intending to build a tower, sits not down first, and counts the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish"
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Sounds like me last spring. Had dirt work done for new building, looked at costs and bank account, decided bank account was more important. I now have a nice level place to park the camper.
 
No new to me.
Just reeks of the mind set like people with expensive everythings, somehow don't have money for the electrical work for spas, pools, etc..
 
ptonsparky said:
Sounds like me last spring. Had dirt work done for new building, looked at costs and bank account, decided bank account was more important. I now have a nice level place to park the camper.
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Even people that are reasonably stable financially have those situations at times. Putting off further construction may have been a wise decision by you .

I've had a few 5 year projects of my own and seen many more from clients/potential clients.

In a case like yours where all was done was dirt work - it gives the neighbors something to talk about. Now you need to build something there they aren't expecting at all and give them more to talk about.:)
 
kwired said:
Even people that are reasonably stable financially have those situations at times. Putting off further construction may have been a wise decision by you .

I've had a few 5 year projects of my own and seen many more from clients/potential clients.

In a case like yours where all was done was dirt work - it gives the neighbors something to talk about. Now you need to build something there they aren't expecting at all and give them more to talk about.:)
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I think maybe a 3’ by 3’ by 7’, single door building close to where the camper sits will work:).
 
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