Kitchen Appliance Receptacles

[JROD]

I received a call from an HO about the following two things he wants done on his kitchen upgrade. The receptacle that is on a switch for the dishwasher has to be moved because it was behind the dishwasher and dishwasher could not be unplugged. The second thing he was told was that he had to use a surface mounted 240V oven receptacle because flush mounted receptacles get too hot.

He said he had someone do the work and it failed inspection for those two reasons.

 

[charlie b]

I think neither of these two "violations" is a violation. I suggest that you suggest to this HO that he obtain, from the inspector who failed this installation, the specific code articles that are alleged to have been violated.

 

[bikeindy]

Why is the dishwasher on a switch? but I agree that the receptacle needs to be moved if it is not accessable when the dishwasher is in place. and on the oven receptacle that is all I install I think the finish is much nicer why would the receptacle get hot? does he allow dimmers they get warm?

 

[celtic]

...I agree that the receptacle needs to be moved if it is not accessable when the dishwasher is in place. ...

Why?
Should we also move couches or the recepts?

 

[LarryFine]

He said he had someone do the work and it failed inspection for those two reasons.

I suggest that you suggest to this HO that he obtain, from the inspector who failed this installation, the specific code articles that are alleged to have been violated.

I suggest having that "someone' who did the work ask the inspector for the violations. Passing inspection must certainly be part of the job. The switch renders the plug'n'receptacle not the disconnect, and there is no rule about surface vs. flush.

 

[JROD]

Thank you for the responses. I spoke to the HO again and the story changed somewhat.

I told him that I think the accessible dishwasher receptacle is a matter of preference not a code violation. In most cases, I think that anyone working on a dishwasher would turn the switch off, pull out the unit and then unplug it before working on it and if the dishwasher was having a problem flipping the switch would cut the power to the receptacle.

As far as the oven, he said it was the EC and not the inspector that told him ?that it needed to be a surface mounted receptacle because of the heat created by 240V.? The EC also told him the oven sticks out an inch because of the surface mounted receptacle and the power cord being on the same side. The HO is annoyed because he?ll need to buy another oven unless the EC installs a flush mounted receptacle.

I thanked him for calling me, but I told him that if it were me I would work things out with his EC and inspector.

 

[celtic]

I thanked him for calling me, but I told him that if it were me I would work things out with his EC and inspector.

That sounds a sensible thing to do....gracefully duck and cover

 

[bikeindy]

Why?
Should we also move couches or the recepts?

422.16(B)(2) Built-in Dishwashers and Trash Compactors Built-in dishwashers and trash compactors shall be permitted to be cord-and-plug connected with a flexible cord identified as suitable for the purpose in the installation instructions of the appliance manufacturer where all of the following conditions are met:
(1) The flexible cord shall be terminated with a grounding-type attachment plug.
Exception: A listed dishwasher or trash compactor distinctly marked to identify it as protected by a system of double insulation, or its equivalent, shall not be required to be terminated with a grounding-type attachment plug.
(2) The length of the cord shall be 0.9 m to 1.2 m (3 ft to 4 ft) measured from the face of the attachment plug to the plane of the rear of the appliance.
(3) Receptacles shall be located to avoid physical damage to the flexible cord.

(4) The receptacle shall be located in the space occupied by the appliance or adjacent thereto.

(5) The receptacle shall be accessible.


#5 is the reason I stated that I would move it.

 

[celtic]

422.16(B)(2)
(5) The receptacle shall be accessible.


#5 is the reason I stated that I would move it.

422.16(B)(2)
4) The receptacle shall be located in the space occupied by the appliance or adjacent thereto.

Why would you move it?
It's obviously allowed.

 

[LarryFine]

422.16(B)(2)
4) The receptacle shall be located in the space occupied by the appliance or adjacent thereto.

Why would you move it?
It's obviously allowed.

(5) The receptacle shall be accessible.


#5 is the reason I stated that I would move it.

"Accessible" is not "readily accessible". The dishwasher must be removable. What happens if it needs servicing or replacing?

 

[celtic]

"Accessible" is not "readily accessible". The dishwasher must be removable. What happens if it needs servicing or replacing?

You sell the house.
LOL

 

[bikeindy]

your points are well taken. If the dishwasher is indeed on a switch then I think the receptacle is fine buried behind the dishwasher even though I wouldn't put it there. If not then I think that receptacle needs to be very accessable for the servicing guy so he can have a means of disconnect right there. so I guess it is preference again with me over "just meeting code"

 

[77401]

I suggest that you suggest to this HO that he obtain, from the inspector who failed this installation, the specific code articles that are alleged to have been violated.

I suggest you get there as fast as you can, do the job he is asking for & get paid.

Why people suggest turning away work? I'll never know!

 

[celtic]

....I guess it is preference again with me over "just meeting code"

Who has the sig. " Just meeting code is JUST passing" or something to that effect?

Point taken bikeindy...I also like the switch idea...... #1 reason ~ more work = more money

 

[celtic]

I suggest you get there as fast as you can, do the job he is asking for & get paid.

Why people suggest turning away work? I'll never know!

The job seems to be active under the other permit:

I received a call from an HO ...

He said he had someone do the work and it failed inspection for those two reasons.

I don't know about you...but working on someone else's job while it's still active is opening pandora's box.

 

[dlhoule]

I don't know about you...but working on someone else's job while it's still active is opening pandora's box.

Ah just sneak it in between 2 & 5 AM. That way you can get last call before you go out on the job.



I don't actually recommend this so please don't be trying it.

 

[JROD]

I thanked him for calling me, but I told him that if it were me I would work things out with his EC and inspector.

The job seems to be active under the other permit:

I don't know about you...but working on someone else's job while it's still active is opening pandora's box.

I agree. I think the EC who started the job is going to lose the contract anyway, but I passed on it. Thanks again for the great incite!