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Ponchik

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Condition is "No back spalsh wall on the kitchen counter"

I can not find if the kitchen counter receptacles can NOT be mounted in the sink cabinet if there is no back splash wall. It will serve the 24" requirement but it will be in the sink cabinet.

Do you see a violation?

I know I have the option of pop up receptacles, but I would rather mount it in the sink cabinet close to the door.

Thanks for your replies.
 
I'm not a 100% sure of your situation. But if don't have the wall space your only option is the pop up or installing in the face of the cabinet. They cannot be installed behind doors. You should talk with you inspector to see about a variation they will allow. I'm doing this off the top of my head as I don't keep a code book at home.....I run the second largest inspection staff in the state of Oregon


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edward said:
Condition is "No back spalsh wall on the kitchen counter"

I can not find if the kitchen counter receptacles can NOT be mounted in the sink cabinet if there is no back splash wall. It will serve the 24" requirement but it will be in the sink cabinet.

Do you see a violation?

I know I have the option of pop up receptacles, but I would rather mount it in the sink cabinet close to the door.

Thanks for your replies.
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You should check out all of 210.52 but in particular the exception to (C)(5)


210.52(C)(5) Receptacle Outlet Location. Receptacle outlets shall be located above, but not more than 500 mm (20 in.) above, the countertop. Receptacle outlets rendered not readily accessible by appliances fastened in place, appliance garages, sinks, or rangetops as covered in 210.52(C)(1), Exception, or appliances occupying dedicated space shall not be considered as these required outlets.

Exception to (5): To comply with the conditions specified in (1) or (2), receptacle outlets shall be permitted to be mounted not more than 300 mm (12 in.) below the counter-top. Receptacles mounted below a countertop in accor-dance with this exception shall not be located where the countertop extends more than 150 mm (6 in.) beyond its support base.

(1) Construction for the physically impaired

(2) On island and peninsular countertops where the countertop is flat across its entire surface (no backsplashes, dividers, etc.) and there are no means to mount a receptacle within 500 mm (20 in.) above the countertop, such as an overhead cabinet
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iwire said:
You should check out all of 210.52 but in particular the exception to (C)(5)
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Thank you Bob.

The exception is all I could find that will allow it. At least that is how I interpret and understand it.
 
Exception 5 allows a receptacle on the front of a cabinet in 2 cases-- for physically impaired and for islands and peninsulas not wall cabinets. A technicality perhaps but IMO, it would not be compliant to install the outlet ion the face of the cabinet unless one of those conditions are met
 
And don't forget, if the kitchen design does not work, it's on the kitchen designer and not you. It's up to them to produce a design which works to comply with the codes. Don't let them throw you under the bus.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Exception 5 allows a receptacle on the front of a cabinet in 2 cases-- for physically impaired and for islands and peninsulas not wall cabinets. A technicality perhaps but IMO, it would not be compliant to install the outlet ion the face of the cabinet unless one of those conditions are met
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If there is no wall it is a peninsula right?
 
iwire said:
If there is no wall it is a peninsula right?
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If there is no wall, it is either an island or a peninsula, yes.
If there is a wall but it is covered down to the level of the countertop by cabinets or recessed appliance garages, then there could still be no wall surface upon which to mount the receptacles.

Side note: Are the receptacles inside an appliance garage, say with a tambour (roll top) door, considered to be countertop rececptacles for SABC and spacing requirements? Or are they supplemental?
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I assumed he meant no wall space to install the outlet, as in a window in the way. He did mention the 24" rule-- really 48" rule
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The window is behind the sink and there is no wall space to mount the box within 24" of the sink.

I have emailed the AHJ and see what he will say about the receptacle in the sink cabinet.
 
GoldDigger said:
Side note: Are the receptacles inside an appliance garage, say with a tambour (roll top) door, considered to be countertop rececptacles for SABC and spacing requirements? Or are they supplemental?
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210.52(C)(5) Receptacle Outlet Location. Receptacle outlets shall be located above, but not more than 500 mm (20 in.) above, the countertop. Receptacle outlets rendered not readily accessible by appliances fastened in place, appliance garages, sinks, or rangetops as covered in 210.52(C)(1), Exception, or appliances occupying dedicated space shall not be considered as these required outlets.
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-Hal
 
edward said:
The window is behind the sink and there is no wall space to mount the box within 24" of the sink.

I have emailed the AHJ and see what he will say about the receptacle in the sink cabinet.
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That is what I assumed. Technically you cannot install the receptacle on the face of the cabinet. We had a situation where there was a window behinde the counter but it was an inch above the counter. We put sill receptacles in the window apron facing up.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
That is what I assumed. Technically you cannot install the receptacle on the face of the cabinet. We had a situation where there was a window behinde the counter but it was an inch above the counter. We put sill receptacles in the window apron facing up.
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At that point I would likely tell the inspector the customer wants it wired for the 'physically impaired'. I doubt many will ask for proof.
 
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