Kitchen countertop receptacle spacing

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Article 210.52C1 - the second sentence if this article states: Receptacle outlets shall be installed so that no point along the wall line is more than 24" measured horizontally from a receptacle outlet in that space.
My question is would an "END WALL" the short section of wall that a countertop stops at be considered in the measurement for outlet spacing, its technically countertop wall space. normal practice is everyone measures off the back countertop wall only, does end walls apply ?
 
Little Bill said:
IMO, if the counter butts the wall and the space is more than 12" (which most cabinets are), then you count that space.
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Sorry Bill I disagree. The wall that the counter butts into is the same space as the first 2' perpendicular to that wall. No need to cover it twice.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Sorry Bill I disagree. The wall that the counter butts into is the same space as the first 2' perpendicular to that wall. No need to cover it twice.
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I agree.

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The front right side of the drawing is what we are talking about. Think of it this way, if there wasn't a wall we wouldn't be required to install an outlet on the side of the cabinet.
 
infinity said:
I agree.

ry%3D400
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Can I highjack this & nit pick for a moment, please. The measurements are drawn at the centerline of the outlets. Coming from the refrigerator to the first outlet in 24", do I have an outlet within 24" or half an outlet within 24"? Does it really matter going by the exact verbiage of the code?
Just curious. Thank you!

Ron
 
rcarroll said:
Can I highjack this & nit pick for a moment, please. The measurements are drawn at the centerline of the outlets. Coming from the refrigerator to the first outlet in 24", do I have an outlet within 24" or half an outlet within 24"? Does it really matter going by the exact verbiage of the code?
Just curious. Thank you!

Ron
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I don't think the code specifies but I have seen center to center used as a measurement. I would think you could fail with the wording as stated.

If the concept is that a 24" cord on an appliance can reach the receptacle outlet from anywhere on the counter than it should be within that 24" space, however, a 24" cord measured up from the counter will be more than 24" since many cords extend from the appliance at the bottom. We can really split hairs now.
 
I know of no section of the NEC that tells you how to measure that dimensions for receptacles. A little common sense goes a long way. :)
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Sorry Bill I disagree. The wall that the counter butts into is the same space as the first 2' perpendicular to that wall. No need to cover it twice.
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I was in a hurry when I replied. I quickly looked it up in the handbook and saw it was counted. However, the cabinets continued on around the corner, not stopping at the end.

To my defense....I have receptacles at both ends of my counter on the side!:p
 
Droopy217 said:
Article 210.52C1 - the second sentence if this article states: Receptacle outlets shall be installed so that no point along the wall line is more than 24" measured horizontally from a receptacle outlet in that space.
My question is would an "END WALL" the short section of wall that a countertop stops at be considered in the measurement for outlet spacing, its technically countertop wall space. normal practice is everyone measures off the back countertop wall only, does end walls apply ?
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I think the intention is to only measure along the back countertop wall only as you mentioned. After looking through it though I don't think it is all that clear in the wording used.

Any graphics other then what is in the NEC itself that you see trying to explain it are just the author's interpretation of the code.

There are two images in NEC that show exempt wall lines - but neither addresses the "end wall" situation.
 
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