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Dennis Alwon said:
What code cycle? All kitchen receptacles serving countertops need to be gfci protected for some time now
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Since about 1993 or 1996 I believe, maybe 1990. I know for certain was only six feet from sink in 1987. 1987 was what was used when I first started learning NEC, wasn't too much later it changed to all countertop receptacles.
 
Is pantry in workplace (microwave, coffee machine on counter, cooler, fridge) considered as kitchen? or it depends on inspector view of situation?

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victor.cherkashi said:
Is pantry in workplace (microwave, coffee machine on counter, cooler, fridge) considered as kitchen? or it depends on inspector view of situation?

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I think this answers your question

210.52(B) Small Appliances.
(1) Receptacle Outlets Served. In the kitchen, pantry, breakfast
room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling unit, the
two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch circuits
required by 210.11(C)(1) shall serve all wall and floor receptacle
outlets covered by 210.52(A), all countertop outlets covered
by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for refrigeration equipment.
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victor.cherkashi said:
Is pantry in workplace (microwave, coffee machine on counter, cooler, fridge) considered as kitchen? or it depends on inspector view of situation?

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jumper said:
Article 100 definition

Kitchen. An area with a sink and permanent provisions for food preparation and cooking.
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Interpretation of "permanent provisions for food preparation and cooking" is what may be different from one jurisdiction to another. Some see a microwave as a cooking appliance, some do not. Many are used to simply heat items that don't need to be cooked before eating, as well as reheating items that have already been cooked, but sometimes they are used to heat items that must be "cooked" before they are considered safe to eat - so wouldn't that be "cooking"??

I don't expect there to be any general consensus on this (one way or the other) anytime soon.
 
But biggest thing for me is... is it a dwelling unit? Not arguing over wether or not it is a kitchen..because a commercial kitchen is not in a dwelling, it is not subject to gfci as I understand things...
 
LarryFine said:
A counter-top microwave is clearly not a permanent cooking provision.
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With no definition is no more or less permanent than a free standing range though.

Though you would probably hardly ever find it today, what about a basin on a portable cart and no fixed plumbing to it? Still a "sink" and can make or break a definition of a kitchen?

And just what is provisions for food preparation? I can pull out a knife and slice an apple in many places, so does carrying said knife get me 1/3 the way to having a kitchen everywhere I go?;)
 
Work place such as offices don't usually prepare food or cook, people just warm their food and wash their mugs in a sink. despite the fact that microwave can be used for cooking, no one cook in offices. if you see the pantry as kitchen, there are additional requirements in mechanical and fire alarm code (I think heat detector and exhaust fan)

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victor.cherkashi said:
Work place such as offices don't usually prepare food or cook, people just warm their food and wash their mugs in a sink. despite the fact that microwave can be used for cooking, no one cook in offices. if you see the pantry as kitchen, there are additional requirements in mechanical and fire alarm code (I think heat detector and exhaust fan)

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No one has to actually cook in an area for it to be defined as a kitchen, just that certain provisions have to be met.
 
Adamjamma said:
But biggest thing for me is... is it a dwelling unit? Not arguing over wether or not it is a kitchen..because a commercial kitchen is not in a dwelling, it is not subject to gfci as I understand things...
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210.8(B) 2017: in non-dwelling unit kitchens pretty much any possible receptacle must have GFCI protection: single phase 150v to ground or less and 50a or less, and 3-ph 150v to ground or less and 100a or less.
 
I stand corrected. But they still do not seem to make gfci breakers in the catalogues I have for some companies, larger than thirty amp..lol... guess I need to go search for newer catalogues
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I think this answers your question
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I don't see how that answers the question, which I believe was whether those receptacles on the countertop require GFCI or not. I think what is really at question here is where does the kitchen stop. Regretfully, this will rely on the AHJ's common sense. I say regretfully because common sense seems to be less and less common today. And I am not disparaging AHJ's, I am disparaging humanity.
 
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