Kitchen outlets more than 20'' above counter (2017 NEC)

[TheWantonElectrician]

If I already have my two required small appliance circuits and outlets that satisfy 210.52(C), can I run another circuit to under cabinet outlets that are more than 20'' above the counter in a kitchen? Can I come off of one of the existing small appliance circuits?

I feel like this is a no brainer since I see LED strips often plugged into an outlet above the cabinets that is fed from one of the counter outlets, but now I'm second guessing myself.

 

[LarryFine]

Yes, and no.

 

[wwhitney]

If the receptacle on the kitchen wall doesn't fit any of the exclusions listed under 210.52 (opening paragraph), then I'd say it's a receptacle covered under 210.52(A), and so it is required to be on an SABC.

[Here it is also timely to note that starting with the 2017 NEC, kitchen countertops along walls require the 6'/12' wall receptacles in addition to the 2'/4' countertop receptacles, even though nobody does that.]

Cheers, Wayne

 

[Hv&Lv]

If the receptacle on the kitchen wall doesn't fit any of the exclusions listed under 210.52 (opening paragraph), then I'd say it's a receptacle covered under 210.52(A), and so it is required to be on an SABC.

[Here it is also timely to note that starting with the 2017 NEC, kitchen countertops along walls require the 6'/12' wall receptacles in addition to the 2'/4' countertop receptacles, even though nobody does that.]

Cheers, Wayne

I believe you, just wasn’t aware of that. Going to have to read up today..

 

[augie47]

IMO, Since 210.52(B) includes all wall and floor receptacles and (B)(3) allows receptacles other than countertop to be on the S/A circuits(s) I would think you could include them with your existing circuit UNLESS they are greater than 5-1/2 ft above the floor or one of the other exclusions in 210.52 1st paragraph.

 

[wwhitney]

I believe you, just wasn’t aware of that. Going to have to read up today..

Yeah, it's weird, in 2014 and earlier, the definition of wall space excluded walls with cabinets along the floor line (210.52(A)(2)(1)), which excludes kitchen walls with countertops on top of cabinets. But in 2017 210.52(A)(2)(1) was change to only exclude cabinets without countertops. So now kitchen walls with cabinets with countertops on them count as wall space. And 210.52(A)(4) prohibits any given receptacle outlet from being used to satisfy both 210.52(A) and 210.52(C).

Cheers, Wayne