Kitchen Plugs in dinette area

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We have been having a discussion at work and one person feels that all kitchen plugs in the area of above counters have to be 20 amp circuits and all must be GFI circuitsts even if they are not near the sink is this acurate? Thanks everyone
Sorry everyone should have been more specific. The counter top is on the opposite side of the counters in the kitchen area as a dinette area and has two plugs at each end set for eating from the kitchen with stools. It is designed as the dinette area but yet no seperating walls other than the top between the prep area and the eating area. Thanks again.

[ January 28, 2006, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: chuck123 ]
 
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Originally posted by chuck123:
We have been having a discussion at work and one person feels that all kitchen plugs in the area of above counters have to be 20 amp circuits and all must be GFI circuitsts even if they are not near the sink is this acurate? Thanks everyone
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In dwelling units all receptacle outlets that serve kitchen counter tops must be GFCI protected.

In dwelling units all kitchen circuits must be 20 amp.

In commercial kitchens all 15 and 20 amp 120 volt receptacle outlets must be GFCI protected.
 
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"In dwelling units all kitchen circuits must be 20 amp."
I take it you mean all kitchen receptacle outlets
 
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Snewman
It is sometimes very easy to make a simple mistake, such as Bob did. He knew what he meant, but I would venture to say his response was fairly fast, and his statement was not quite correct, as kitchen lighting circuits could be 15 amps.

This is why we should not condemn people here for posts that may not mean what they were actually thinking or know.

Chuck & Snewman, welcome to the forum.

[ January 27, 2006, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: pierre ]
 
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"This is why we should not condemn people here for posts that may not mean what they were actually thinking or know."

Sorry...didn't mean it to sound condemning or unfriendly. Thanks for the welcome. I'm currently taking 3 electrical classes that are fairly NEC intensive, and we have frequent discussions about what exactly the code means. As they say, you can't learn the code by just reading, you have to be taught.
Steve in Omaha
 
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In regards to the question, GFI is required on all counter top receptacles...NOW, that depends on the ahj. Here, (as Pierre will know) all kitchen receptacles shall be GFI protected. (hopefully this hasnt changed recently..L).
 
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Hello Tom
How have you been lately?

"Here, (as Pierre will know) all kitchen receptacles shall be GFI protected. (hopefully this hasnt changed recently..L)."

That would be all receptacles that are installed to serve the kitchen countertops in dwelling kitchens. Wall receptacles that are not serving the countertops are not required to be GFCI protected.
 
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Originally posted by snewman24:

Sorry...didn't mean it to sound condemning or unfriendly. Thanks for the welcome. I'm currently taking 3 electrical classes that are fairly NEC intensive, and we have frequent discussions about what exactly the code means. As they say, you can't learn the code by just reading, you have to be taught.
Steve in Omaha
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Stick around and you may be taught, OTOH, depending on your comprehension you may naught. ;)

Roger
 
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He knew what he meant, but I would venture to say his response was fairly fast, and his statement was not quite correct, as kitchen lighting circuits could be 15 amps.
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A circuit for the refrigerator could be on a 15 amp circuit also.
 
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I agree, all 125volt, single phase, 15 and 20amp receptacles serving the countertop shall have GFCI protection.

On the other hand, 240volt, 15 and 20amp receptacles serving countertops neither have to be GFCI protected, nor do they count toward the required outlets.
 
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Tough crowd. :D

The question asked which I quoted in my post was about kitchen receptacle outlets.

I think that suggests I was referring to receptacle outlets, not lights, disposals, dishwashers, hoods, clock outlets etc.

But I can see I was not as clear as I could have been and honestly I had forgotten about the refrigerator dedicated 15 amp circuit possibility.

Originally posted by georgestolz:
Shall we let him off the hook yet? :D
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Why?

Would I let any of you of the hook if I thought you where incorrect? :D

Bob
 
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Originally posted by iwire:
Tough crowd.
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Originally posted by georgestolz:
Shall we let him off the hook yet? :D
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Originally posted by TOMWELDS:
NOW, that depends on the ahj. Here, (as Pierre will know) all kitchen receptacles shall be GFI protected. (hopefully this hasnt changed recently..L).
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No, it has nothing to do with the AHJ. The code is very clear on this. Only the countertop receptacles require GFCI protection. If you want to exceed the code, go ahead, but an inspector cannot require you to.

And if an AHJ asks that all kitchen receptacles be GFCI protected, you can easily trap them by asking them if they require the outlet for the refrigerator and stove to be GFCI protected. If they say "No," then you simply say "ALL means ALL, doesn't it?"
 
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