Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
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gary
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- California
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- Retired electrical contractor / general contractor
Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
It's legal to use exposed Romex. I usually run it through Carflex (FNC) to give it some mechanical protection.
It's legal to use exposed Romex. I usually run it through Carflex (FNC) to give it some mechanical protection.
Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
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the location of the line determines if to code. behind drawers, romex is okay by me, protected. if cabinet space opens to conduit, needs protection. I didn't think mc was good enough protection in sf, but it's been a while.
haven't woprked as electrician in sf for at least 3 years; if i made electrical inspector in sf, i would probably be too arrogant to talk to.
paul
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the location of the line determines if to code. behind drawers, romex is okay by me, protected. if cabinet space opens to conduit, needs protection. I didn't think mc was good enough protection in sf, but it's been a while.
haven't woprked as electrician in sf for at least 3 years; if i made electrical inspector in sf, i would probably be too arrogant to talk to.
paul
bphgravity
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
The problem is how do you get NM to the island? If the raceway is run underground from a wall space to the island, NM would not be permitted in that raceway.
UF can be used from the wall space to the island and protection from damage with a sleeve of FMC, LFMC, or LFNC.
The problem is how do you get NM to the island? If the raceway is run underground from a wall space to the island, NM would not be permitted in that raceway.
UF can be used from the wall space to the island and protection from damage with a sleeve of FMC, LFMC, or LFNC.
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
If it's on a basement (as everything around here is), we run NM from the last GFI into the basement, and come trim time, drill through the bottom of the island/peninsula and pull the NM through FMC, metal cut-in with an f-strap, done. Mechanically protected from drawers, pots, etc.
[ January 13, 2005, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: georgestolz ]
In the slab under a house? Why would that be wet?
If it's on a basement (as everything around here is), we run NM from the last GFI into the basement, and come trim time, drill through the bottom of the island/peninsula and pull the NM through FMC, metal cut-in with an f-strap, done. Mechanically protected from drawers, pots, etc.
[ January 13, 2005, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: georgestolz ]
bphgravity
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
We don't have basements here in Florida. Some of the older cities have buildings with basements.
I'm not saying that it would always be wet, I'm just referring to the requirement in 300.5(D)(5). I am not aware of any NM that is listed for a wet location.
We don't have basements here in Florida. Some of the older cities have buildings with basements.
peter d
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
I know basements are rare in California and Nevada. Is this due to the cost of putting them in because the ground is so hard? Or just to save money on the cost of the home?
You learn something new every day. I always thought Colorado was slab land.
I know basements are rare in California and Nevada. Is this due to the cost of putting them in because the ground is so hard? Or just to save money on the cost of the home?
physis
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
Well Peter, you might learn something else too. The vast majority of buildings I work on have basements. But then most of those are 30 years or older. I don't know what they're doing for new construction. Whatever it is, I'm sure it's the cheapest possible meathod.
Well Peter, you might learn something else too. The vast majority of buildings I work on have basements. But then most of those are 30 years or older. I don't know what they're doing for new construction. Whatever it is, I'm sure it's the cheapest possible meathod.
peter d
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
Good point Sam. California's a big state. I should have been more specific.
I meant southern California, and even more specifically, the San Diego-Los Angeles corridor (the only part of CA in which I've spent any significant amount of time.)
I have been through San Francisco, but it was only an overnight stay in a hotel right next to the train station. Hardly a vacation.
Good point Sam. California's a big state. I should have been more specific.
I meant southern California, and even more specifically, the San Diego-Los Angeles corridor (the only part of CA in which I've spent any significant amount of time.)
I have been through San Francisco, but it was only an overnight stay in a hotel right next to the train station. Hardly a vacation.
peter d
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
Oh....kitchen island receptacles.
Well, the slab homes in CA that I visited during constuction typically have a piece of PVC that is installed during the slab pour that goes from a kitchen or dining room wall receptacle to the island location.
On the rough in, some UF is pulled, and when the island is finally installed, the UF is pulled through some "smurf tube" for physical protection inside the cabinet, and finally into a PVC old work box.
That's pretty much how we do it here on the east coast, except we use NM and we can bring it up into the island via the basement.
Oh....kitchen island receptacles.
Well, the slab homes in CA that I visited during constuction typically have a piece of PVC that is installed during the slab pour that goes from a kitchen or dining room wall receptacle to the island location.
On the rough in, some UF is pulled, and when the island is finally installed, the UF is pulled through some "smurf tube" for physical protection inside the cabinet, and finally into a PVC old work box.
That's pretty much how we do it here on the east coast, except we use NM and we can bring it up into the island via the basement.
physis
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
That part of town is worse than not a vacation and I hope it wasn't 4th st. I can't even think of a hotel along the train. Certainly not one I'd recommend. Sounds like a lot of people we work for aren't so different.
Doing these for remodle, like most of what I do, is at best very difficult to make code compliant.
It's kind of funny the way the NEC doesn't mind if you have a hard time making it code. But this one, sometimes boarders on not possible.
That part of town is worse than not a vacation and I hope it wasn't 4th st. I can't even think of a hotel along the train. Certainly not one I'd recommend. Sounds like a lot of people we work for aren't so different.
Doing these for remodle, like most of what I do, is at best very difficult to make code compliant.
It's kind of funny the way the NEC doesn't mind if you have a hard time making it code. But this one, sometimes boarders on not possible.
peter d
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
Sam,
Jack London Square to be exact. It was bad.
Sam,
Jack London Square to be exact. It was bad.
physis
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
Dude, you were in Oakland.
I'm used to these neighborhoods and weigh 230 at somethin over 6 feet, but dude.
For over there you weren't in the worst area at least.
Edit: definite hazard pay!
[ January 13, 2005, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: physis ]
Dude, you were in Oakland.
I'm used to these neighborhoods and weigh 230 at somethin over 6 feet, but dude.
For over there you weren't in the worst area at least.
Edit: definite hazard pay!
[ January 13, 2005, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: physis ]
peter d
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
Thanks for refreshing my memory. So Oakland it was.
Hazard pay would have been nice.
Thanks for refreshing my memory. So Oakland it was.
Hazard pay would have been nice.
physis
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
Well, I was on my way to doing that in a round about way. Turns out that where I'm at MC probably wont pass. In other places it might.
I would ask my local building department because this is an area that has a good chance of being treated differently than what's prescribed by the NEC.
Well, I was on my way to doing that in a round about way. Turns out that where I'm at MC probably wont pass. In other places it might.
I would ask my local building department because this is an area that has a good chance of being treated differently than what's prescribed by the NEC.
luke warmwater
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Re: Kitchen Receptacles in Island?
When I worked in North Jersey, it was NM into basement and up through bottom of island to old-work (cut-in) box.
Where in New Jersey?
When I worked in North Jersey, it was NM into basement and up through bottom of island to old-work (cut-in) box.
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