Kitchen Remodel - Island Receptacle

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DBoone

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I'm working on a bid for a small kitchen remodel. I will have to remove an island and i will need to remove the receptacle and do something with the cable coming up through the slab. Any suggestions?
 
Do you need to reuse it or just abandon it? If it's the latter just de-energize it and cut it flush with the slab.
 
The cable from the island probably connects to one of the other kitchen receptacles. Find it and disconnect it. Then you can cut the cable flush with the floor, use a tool to push it down as far as you can, and then they can tile over it.
 
GoldDigger said:
The only real complication would be if somebody made a really bad design choice and is feeding through the box on the island instead of dead ending there.
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Yeah, that would be bad. You'd have to re-route it through the walls, or re-feed the downstream receptacles... or mount a floor box in the concrete and have a big, ugly brass cover in the middle of your new kitchen floor.
 
GoldDigger said:
The only real complication would be if somebody made a really bad design choice and is feeding through the box on the island instead of dead ending there.
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I will be going back tomorrow to meet with my floor guy. I will check the receptacle. Any good way to trace down the other end of the cable besides opening up kitchen counter boxes, undo the connections and check continuity with my meter?
 
DBoone said:
I will be going back tomorrow to meet with my floor guy. I will check the receptacle. Any good way to trace down the other end of the cable besides opening up kitchen counter boxes, undo the connections and check continuity with my meter?
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Get yourself a toner and wand. I have a Fluke and I think they are only $80-$100, depending on where you buy it. It can trace most wiring but not real good in conduit. Also must have the power off to that circuit. You still will need to open up some connections because if everything is tied together it might send you on a false chase.
Look at all the receptacles or switches on the circuit and try to think how they might have run from one box to another. Start at your island receptacle and work back.
 
Shortest distance in a straight line from the last opening furthest from the load center would be my first guess.
That way on rough in it would be in/out end of line.
 
Find out which breaker it is on, so you can ignore all the boxes not on that circuit. Then closest first. Disconnect wire to island, then re-power and check for other dead outlets.
 
DBoone said:
I will be going back tomorrow to meet with my floor guy. I will check the receptacle. Any good way to trace down the other end of the cable besides opening up kitchen counter boxes, undo the connections and check continuity with my meter?
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Sure. De-energize the circuit and push a fish-tape in the conduit and listen for the end to hit the inside of a box nearby, maybe with the help of a second person.
 
DBoone said:
I will be going back tomorrow to meet with my floor guy. I will check the receptacle. Any good way to trace down the other end of the cable besides opening up kitchen counter boxes, undo the connections and check continuity with my meter?
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Here is a cheap Klein Digital circuit breaker finder that sells for $41.37.
It should also indicate the hot contact of receptacles upstream of the island receptacle the transmitter is plugged into. I do know the several hundred dollar circuit/breaker finders do. Touch the receiver against the hot (smaller slot) of the face of the receptacle.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Digital-Circuit-Breaker-Finder-ET300/202330830

https://data.kleintools.com/sites/a...nts/instructions/klein/ET300_Instructions.pdf
 
LarryFine said:
Sure. De-energize the circuit and push a fish-tape in the conduit and listen for the end to hit the inside of a box nearby, maybe with the help of a second person.
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Caution: What if the de-energized circuit is part of a multi-wire branch circuit? The box the fish tape is pushed into could have the hot from the other circuit of the multi-wire branch circuit made up on an outlet.
 
Jamesco said:
Caution: What if the de-energized circuit is part of a multi-wire branch circuit? The box the fish tape is pushed into could have the hot from the other circuit of the multi-wire branch circuit made up on an outlet.
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So, de-energize them all, if not on a 2-pole breaker.
 
We mutually agreed to part ways on this job before it got started. Suits me, I'm too busy to mess with it.
 
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