L-shaped peninsula

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I've got a kitchen job where an L-shaped peninsula has been installed, and I need to get it into compliance with 210.52(C)(3). That section is not entirely clear if what I saw today would be considered a peninsula connected to a peninsula, or if I can consider it one L-shaped peninsula.

The homeowner really doesn't want any receptacles on the peninsula at all, but she's resigned to the fact that one or more may have to be put in. I'm wondering what the consensus is regarding how many receptacles would be required.
 
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As long as it has only one connecting edge to the main counter it requires only one receptacle unless it is divided by an appliance or sink into separate counter areas.
 
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In this case, there is only one connecting edge to the main counter up against the wall, but I heard recently that some inspectors consider this type of construction two peninsulas, essentially a peninsula connected to a peninsula. I looked through the code and found that this situation isn't really addressed.

My opinion is that this is one peninsula that just happens to have a 90 degree bend in it. We know it will require at least one receptacle, but we hope it won't require two.

[ February 07, 2006, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: jeff43222 ]
 
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Inspectors need to use common descriptions when detailed descriptions are not in any code.

Wall - touches a wall on its "long" edge

Peninsula - touches a wall (or a wall counter) on its short edge.

Island - no edge touches a wall
 
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...but I heard recently that some inspectors consider this type of construction two peninsulas, essentially a peninsula connected to a peninsula.
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Those inspectors need to be tied to trees and smeared with honey. That's got to be one of the silliest things I've heard. :D

Here's a definition of peninsula. You know, there's some crooks and crannies in the Florida peninsula. The Yucatan's not terribly straight. Baja California would actually be about six peninsulas by that standard. :p
 
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Peninsula:
Land projecting into water.


Kitchen Peninsula:
Cabinets projecting into the open floor.

There is no such thing as a peninsula connecting from land to another peninsula, I would be led to believe the same would be true for a kitchen, no matter what the shape is.

Just making a relative statement.

EDIT: We posted at the same time George. I agree with you on this. Not trying to steal your thunder. :cool:

[ February 07, 2006, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: throttlebody ]
 
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That was bizarre. That's the first time I've posted and seen someone else after me when I hit the "Add Reply" button. We had to have hit at the exact same time. That's just weird!
 
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Straight or zig zagged it would be one penninsula and unless broken by a sink or appliance only one recep to serve it would be required.But watch the back side to comply with wall spacing requirements.
 
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With the interpetaions our inspectors have I wouldn`t doubt that too will be one of the required receptacles along the shores maintaining 2/6/12 ft spacing :D
 
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We all know that the way you construct kitchen cabinetry is to put several cabinet bottom sections side by side, and then put one or more sections of countertop over the entire set. In this case, if you were to remove all the countertop pieces (and perhaps there is just one), you would see a set of cabinet bottom sections along the wall, and then a set that goes away from the wall at a 90 degree angle.

Now put the countertop piece(s) back on. I believe that the portion of this countertop that is in contact with the wall is to be treated as "wall counter space," per 210.52(C)(1). It gets a receptacle above the countertop every 24 inches. I further believe that the portion of this countertop that is not along the wall is the only part that is a "peninsula." In other words, you do not have an "L" shaped peninsula, as there is no such thing. You only need one outlet.
 
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Everyone seems to agree on this point, so I went ahead and wrote up the estimate based on only needing one receptacle. The homeowner will be happy about that. All we have to do now is figure out where to put it. One side of the peninsula is drawers, plus she'd prefer that it be installed in a less prominent location. Unfortunately, the other side of the peninsula is slated for a countertop with a 10" overhang.

At least we only have to put in one... :D
 
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sounds like another thread ... here we go again !!! M

(this ought to be interesting/fun ...)

[ February 08, 2006, 12:46 PM: Message edited by: mario ]
 
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We might be able to have some fun with this, however:
Originally posted by jeff43222: All we have to do now is figure out where to put it. One side of the peninsula is drawers, plus she'd prefer that it be installed in a less prominent location. Unfortunately, the other side of the peninsula is slated for a countertop with a 10" overhang.
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OK. Let's call this an "L shaped peninsula," notwithstanding my earlier statement that there is no such thing. :p

That means that part of the wall space is located above part of the peninsula. The preferred location of a receptacle is above, but not more than 20 inches above, the countertop. So put one receptacle on the wall, located along the centerline of the long section of the peninsula.

Along that same wall, you will have other receptacles, because of the rule about "wall counter spaces." But the wall space that is within the boundary of the "L shaped peninsula" gets only one receptacle, and it serves the entire peninsula.

Whacha tink??? :confused:
 
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when I said "here we go again"; I was refering to someone asking about the "Backside of the Peninsula" as "Wallspace" ... remember that ... ;)
 
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even with drawers there usually is enough room to fit a gangable metal box.I would say use the side.
 
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