Labor Itemization Dilemma

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RSquirrel

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Watsonville, CA, USA
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Mechanical Engineer (retired/consulting)
We applied for an incentive rebate for two Level 2 charging stations at our HOA, via a state-funded program. One of their requirements for supporting documentation was the following:

“A complete copy of the purchase invoice for all installation costs. A complete invoice includes proof of payment. It includes an itemization of eligible costs, credits, discounts, and incentives received, if applicable.”

In our case, the electrical infrastructure work was performed by a small local contractor consisting of two co-owner brothers, who did all of the work themselves. The only “itemization” we could ever get from them was a breakdown between labor and material (each a lump-sum $ amount).

The agency funding the rebate has pushed back on what we submitted as proof of payment to this contractor (itemization consisting only of the labor and material breakdowns). We didn’t anticipate this new issue and the contractor has already been paid in full.

This is the agency's additional requirement that we must meet to be reimbursed for the rebate amount:

“The labor for installation is lumped together in a large amount. Please provide a more detailed itemization with units and rate of labor costs. Additionally, please provide supporting documentation for the labor costs such as time records of labor hours, payroll registers, and/or documentation supporting labor rates.”

As the customer in this situation, our HOA is at a loss as to how to resolve this dilemma with our contractor. Since the workers are the owners, it seems doubtful that there's a "payroll register." Q. Short of going back in time, does anyone have any suggestions on how to approach an equitable solution?
 
The brothers must have a per diem dollar amount for their labor time. They should have invoices for the materials that they purchased for your project; or 'cash' receipts' for the materials.

They should be cooperative to assist you.

Should be an easy request to fix.
 
The brothers must have a per diem dollar amount for their labor time. They should have invoices for the materials that they purchased for your project; or 'cash' receipts' for the materials.

They should be cooperative to assist you.

Should be an easy request to fix.
Thanks for a more reasoned comment. I hope you're right - maybe after the fact they won't be as hesitant to give us a more detailed breakdown of the labor.
 
They can fake the details as long as everything totals up.
Drive time
Material acquisition
Materials: (include each screw and fitting)
Labor: split out as detailed as possible
Overhead
Profit
Permit

What a PITA.
That's probably what I'll have to do. Material is easy as I already have a BOM, but not sure how to price their labor $/hr rate . . .
 
I would tell them you hired a sub-contractor and don't have access to another company's work product; you only have the detail in the invoices you received. (It seems so "none of your business" to me.)
 
This is typical of government controlled dollars. They need paperwork in order to justify their bureaucracy. It is unlikely anyone actually looks at what you submit as long as it is in the format they want.
 
I'd omit the third paragraph and tell them to ask the Brothers directly for more information.

If they really want to know more about the money, they should get it from the recipients.

To me, it's none of their (or your) business how the sub-contractors allocate their money.

This especially applies if you weren't clearly informed as to what they want ahead of time.
 
I must nor be making this clear. The agency paying out the rebate is making us (the customer of the contractor) responsible to supply this information. If we do what you suggest, they'll simply disqualify us for the rebate . . .
 
I must nor be making this clear. The agency paying out the rebate is making us (the customer of the contractor) responsible to supply this information. If we do what you suggest, they'll simply disqualify us for the rebate . . .
if this was a bid job, I don't see why the customer would ever have any access to labor hours and labor rates.
 
Sounds like the rebating agency intend to do a NECA comparative to pay rebate only for direct cost related to the charger installation only not any additional supplementary work that might have been done. These rebates are a PIB for this reason asking for an exceptional detail as they really don't want to pay out anything.
Kind of like doing work related to veterans disability benefits, ridiculous level of details, wants actual model and serial of every light and switch with quote to actual materials comparatives.
 
I must nor be making this clear. The agency paying out the rebate is making us (the customer of the contractor) responsible to supply this information. If we do what you suggest, they'll simply disqualify us for the rebate . . .
Might be worth having a lawyer's advice then.
 
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