Large Circuit breakers

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Many very expensive large circuit breakers, and because of KATRINA'S effects was under water for many days. UL authorized certifier said that the integrity of these breakers to function as intended is no longer there. I believe these breakers are being sold all over the U.S.A or even outside of the USA. The cost of these used breakers (dried then sold) are very inexpensive compared to the new one. May I know your professional input to this including the liability issues of the installer.
 

jim dungar

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Large is not a meaningful description.

Molded case circuit breakers of all trip ratings need to be replaced if they have been submerged.

Power circuit breakers (i.e. drawout or iron frame) are usually intended to be rebuilt.

I know of no manufacturer approved method of rebuilding molded case breakers. I know of no independent (third-party) certification of used molded case breakers.
 

templdl

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It is possible to clean and refurbish breakers with interchangeable trip units if the UL or the manufacturer of the breaker authorizes it but I doubt if they would. There are too many variables involved to be certain that the breaker has been refurbished and tested to factory specification.'
The reason that I pointed out breaker with interchangeable trip units is that the trip unit could be removed leaving the frame and the moving and stationary contact and mechanical parts around the toggle and trip mechanism. It is conceivable that this assembly could be cleaned and lubricated.
The trip unit is another issue as they are sealed somewhat but not enough to keep water out so they can't be taken apart, inspected and cleaned so they should be destroyed.. The same thing with electronic trip breakers it shouldn't be even considered and they should also be destroyed.
With non-interchangable trip an other sealed breaker the factory seal must be broken to enter the breaker. sealed breaker should also be destroyed.
NEMA has a publication that is very clear in how to address water damaged electrical equipment
But there are many out there that will not ask any question because the price is so good and install them. What is so interesting is that one may not know that a defective breaker has been installed because there may never be a need for a trip. So, the electrical saves money and fills a hole in the panel, the device looks good and he leaves. He's a hero for saving the customer money.
That essentially goes for any breaker that we remove from a panel and save the used for later use. If we install a used breaker can we be certain that it will function properly by providing the protection that is intended.
 

brian john

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I work with a firm that re-conditions "LARGE FRAME CB's" to my knowledge these are only Draw Out CB's though I will check what this particular shop does next week. We test the CB's after they work on them to date we have not tested and molded case CB's (for them).
 

zog

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Charlotte, NC
Circuit breaker sales is a very large company that specializes in rebuilding and retrofitting power c/b's. They rebuild per the above mentioned PEARL standards. www.cbsales.com You can also check the NETA website for a NETA certified company in your area, many of those companies are PEARL members and most of them specilize in this tyoe of work. www.netaworld.org
 
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