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FrancisDoody

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Working one day last week a women stopped her car and asked me if I would be interested in some electric work. I said I would be, what do you have in mind I asked. She said her husband had hired Mr. Electric to install 4 coach lights on her deck. Two on the first floor and two more on the second floor. They had the siding replaced and the handyman buried the GFCI receptacle behind the cedar siding and plywood. Mr. Electric said he would do the lights but not the plug. Mr. Electric charged $150.00 per hour for one man who worked 2 hours and charged a $15.00 fuel sur-charge. I ended up doing the plug. I am amazed at the hourly rate Mr. Electric commands,
Thanks,
Fran
 
The only way I would be amazed is if I saw that franchise holders monthly financial statement, and his overhead was lower than mine. What is amazing is that a Mr. E was charging hourly, not flat rate. In my area the Mr. Electric is running tv ads. I bet that that ain't free. It does seem however, that they have cut certain costs down, such as bothering to get the proper licencing. I also wonder because of that if the local guy has any insurance either.
 
There's more than price to consider!

There's more than price to consider!

As one who has investigated the Mr. E franchise, I can assure that anyone interested in their program the fanchise fees, as well as other business expenses, are passed on to their customers via their flat rate & hourly pricing schedule. The service rates for each franchisee is dependent on each businesses overhead & employee expenses figures. Typically, Mr. E will use a flat rate figure providing the task is fairly common. Otherwise they can opt to use an hourly rate. Their program is top notch and their "system" seems fairly well defined & calculated. I was pleased w/ how prospective franchisee candidates were screened and introduced into their program. Seems as though there is very good contact & support by the corporate Mr. E staffing to aid the franchisees in managing a business. One must also understand that corporate will teach the management end of the business....not the technical part. They might refer a franchisee to another member to solve a technical issue, but that usually is as far as they go.

Every electrical business is essentially the same by offering customers a service based on materials, labor, profit, & overhead. One difference between a business over another, who offer similar services, is how they market their company value. It doesn't take much effort, and make much sense, to offer electrical services at bargin basement prices. Especially with the liability isues at stake with electrical contracting. A good company will market value engineering to their customers. It takes a savy businessman to determine if a customer is interested in price or value. I try to determine, as best I can, if the customer is looking for the lowest price. I then will let the customer know that our business is "value" minded and they should look elsewhere for a low price. I've often shared w/ customers that there are (3) loosers when low price is the main focus. (1) The contractor who accepted the job at the low price because they haven't allowed for unknown expenses that oftentimes occur with construction projects causing them to experience a financial loss (2) The customer, because once the contractor who accepted the job at too low a price realizes they are loosing money will often begin to take short cuts and many times provide the customer with a substandard job and (3) the contractor who provided a good competitive quote that wasn't able to perform the work for the customer and make a fair profit...and provide a good & safe installation for the customer

Bottom line....One may look at what is charged for completing a task and may feel as if the contractor has too high a fee, but one must also look at what fee structure is fair and reasonable based on the value offered the customer.

I had a customer share with me, after completing their project, that they felt we overcharged them. We quoted the work and they agreed to the quote prior to starting the job. We scheduled the work, completed the task, and cleaned up. A day later we received a call at our office from the customer stating that they felt we overcharged them for services we completed. They "investigated" other sources regarding price. One neighbor, an electrician, said he could have completed the same work for less. I asked the customer if the neighbor was licensed..no, was he insured..no, did he have employees that he offered benefits to..no, did he have an office with overhead expenses..no. Did he even look at the work required to do the task or base his comments soley on your description of work we performed?...no answer. Did you mention to this neighbor that you purchased the wrong size light fixture, ask us to install it anyway (despite our efforts to talk you out of installing it), then decide it didn't look right and had us remove it and reinstall the old fixture...at no additional expense to you....no. Enough said!

Thanks for your kind and attentive time for some of my thoughts & comments :smile:
 
Thanks goodness they are charging that! It's about time someone is charging a reasonable rate! Why is is that electricians feel they aren't allowed to make money? It's funny, I don't see any electricians listed in the phone book under "Non Profit Organizations."
 
I have made the comment to people many times that I can keep my prices a bit more competitive because I am able to keep my overhead down. When overhead goes up you have two choices raise your price or make less money per job. You may be able to make the same amount of money in Net if you can get your gross up by being more productive. The thing is some people will pay more because they think they are getting better service or quality and they may not be getting that at all. Yesterday I received two tips totaling $60.00 because the customer was more than happy with the work. And lined up two other jobs of neighbors of our customers to do the same type work because the price was right for them and they liked the work. They had been putting it off because they couldn't spend more for it. And I get that. I also lose many jobs due to price some think we are too high. What I have determined is that my guys are well paid I make a good profit and my prices are right for the clients we are looking for. And we stay busy except for Aug. I am trying to figure that one out.
 
FrancisDoody said:
Mr. Electric charged $150.00 per hour for one man who worked 2 hours and charged a $15.00 fuel sur-charge. I ended up doing the plug. I am amazed at the hourly rate Mr. Electric commands,
Thanks,
Fran
So are you saying Mr. Electric should lower their prices closer to what you charge or are you saying you should raise your prices closer to what they charge?

I often hear contractors on these forums say you can't charge more than the going rate. So is this the going rate in your area or is someone actually able to charge more than the going rate?
Maybe the Mr. Electric should lower his prices more in line with the going rate like everyone else.
Or maybe everyone else should raise their prices and make this the new going rate.

There's nothing wrong with charging $150 per hour for this type of work in my opinion.

If they can do it why wouldn't you want to?
So what if your overhead is lower.
Shouldn't you reward yourself with higher profits for keeping overhead low instead of keeping your prices low?
Do you feel you would be making too much money?
 
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peter d said:
Thanks goodness they are charging that! It's about time someone is charging a reasonable rate! Why is is that electricians feel they aren't allowed to make money? It's funny, I don't see any electricians listed in the phone book under "Non Profit Organizations."

I agree. I need to talk to an attorney, appointment in 2 weeks, $200 for an hour. I go there.

I bring my van to your business, with tools and materials, and you complain about the price.
 
FrancisDoody said:
She said her husband had hired Mr. Electric to install 4 coach lights on her deck. Two on the first floor and two more on the second floor. They had the siding replaced and the handyman buried the GFCI receptacle behind the cedar siding and plywood. Mr. Electric said he would do the lights but not the plug. Mr. Electric charged $150.00 per hour for one man who worked 2 hours and charged a $15.00 fuel sur-charge. I ended up doing the plug. I am amazed at the hourly rate Mr. Electric commands,
Thanks,
Fran

Let's think about this for a second....1-this is why you never do resi work T&M...if he worked there for 2 hrs and billed for 2 hrs, i would guarantee that he spent at least another 1 hr in travel, and getting misc. parts.

2- why would an electrician work with brand new siding and plywood to uncover a buried GFCI? we aren't trained nor insured for it. Say you do the work at a more "reasonable" rate of $75/hr...so it takes you a total of 3 hrs and you bill $225 for your labor...except, in the process of uncovering the GFCI, you damage the siding. You now have to pay to replace it...how much money will you make on that job?

3- why do we continuously kick eachother in the nuts and drag eachother down? why don't we try to raise the bar, not lower it...
 
FrancisDoody said:
They had the siding replaced and the handyman buried the GFCI receptacle behind the cedar siding and plywood.
They let this go without making Mr. Handy come back and fix this?

That's what amazes me: how many people let stuff like this slide.

They moan and groan; not to the perpetrator, but to someone else.
 
attorney fees

attorney fees

hardworkingstiff said:
I agree. I need to talk to an attorney, appointment in 2 weeks, $200 for an hour. I go there.

I bring my van to your business, with tools and materials, and you complain about the price.
at least 250 by me
 
LarryFine said:
They let this go without making Mr. Handy come back and fix this?

That's what amazes me: how many people let stuff like this slide.

They moan and groan; not to the perpetrator, but to someone else.

They moan and groan to me all the time about hiring some "cheep" siding guy who leaves electrical things in disarray. I like getting paid to fix them.
 
emahler said:
Let's think about this for a second....1-this is why you never do resi work T&M...if he worked there for 2 hrs and billed for 2 hrs, i would guarantee that he spent at least another 1 hr in travel, and getting misc. parts.

2- why would an electrician work with brand new siding and plywood to uncover a buried GFCI? we aren't trained nor insured for it. Say you do the work at a more "reasonable" rate of $75/hr...so it takes you a total of 3 hrs and you bill $225 for your labor...except, in the process of uncovering the GFCI, you damage the siding. You now have to pay to replace it...how much money will you make on that job?

3- why do we continuously kick eachother in the nuts and drag eachother down? why don't we try to raise the bar, not lower it...

1. I charge T& M for residential a lot you figure your driving time into your price.
2. You need to look into some new insurance.
3. You don't have a saw or know how to use one?
4. I am not kicking anyone in the nuts, but I see a lot of guys who kick themselves in the ars.
 
OK now that you have said that be aware that emahler will now tell you how you can not possibly run a business that way. :grin:
 
Hourly Rates

Hourly Rates

I agree that if you quote a job for $300, and the customer agrees, most likely what Mr. E did and finish it in 2 hours you would make $150 per hour. If you charged $75 per hour and completed the work in 2 hours you would make $150 per hour. I would prefer to quote work and take the risk off of the customer. Working hourly for a clock watcher who wants you to collect your bill and give free advice to them after the work is complete is a killer.
I prefer to make money where I can, and do Charity work when I choose.
 
iwire said:
OK now that you have said that be aware that emahler will now tell you how you can not possibly run a business that way. :grin:

you can run a job that way though :D

i have a saw and I can use...but I hire electricians not siders...

my insurance deductable is $500, it would cost $300 to have someone come in and fix the siding...at $75/hr, you make $225 in labor for the job...do the math...
 
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I went to Waco, TX last fall to investigate the MR. E franchise. I am not a big fan of them now. They constantly bother me. I had to finally tell them to leave me alone. The guy would have tried to sell me a wet paper bag in a rain storm. They could not answer none of my questions and then he tells me I'm a D (I think that is what it was do to some sheet I filled out in Waco). I was like huh? He says yes your a D, someone that needs to make a decision based on numbers. LOL give me a break, Who doesn't base an investment on numbers. I was really excited about the MR.E idea, they were exactly what I needed, but in the end it seemed like it was all hype.
 
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Hourly rate

It was hand written in on the bill $150.00 per hour. Minimum of one hour. He spent two hours doing the job. It was a clear cut easy job. More power to him. Everyone knows what it costs to run a company. It is not cheap however I did get a check in the mail on Friday for a $1700.00 rebate from workman Comp. What a surprise that was.
 
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