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I have a question about the required circ for a a laundry closet. I am installing a light in a laundry "closet" in a bunch of resort rentals.
Each unit has a closet just large enought to fit the washer dryer combo. The 220v 30A outlet takes care of the combo unit. there is a 120v 20a recept on the side wall. Since this is not used for the units and the closet is not large enough for anything except the washer dryer is this still considered a laundry area requiring the dedicated outlet. I would like to use this circuit for the new light fixture by taking out the recept. and blankinng it off.
 
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Just looking quickly I think this receptacle has to remain and can not be used for the light.
 
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Scott (F) does say that there will be a receptacle but it does not say that it will serve no other outlets.It does say that at least one receptacle shall be installed but that`s it.Nowhere does it say that it is limited to that outlet.
 
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210.11(C) (2) Laundry Branch Circuits. In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F). This circuit shall have no other outlets.

210.52(F) Laundry Areas. In dwelling units, at least one receptacle outlet shall be installed for the laundry.
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Well it does say, ?This circuit shall have no other outlets.?
It is also clear that it is to supply a receptacle.

Now lets get another debate started.
:)
 
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IMO, the 220v recep takes care of the required laundry circuit, if indeed, the combo unit is the only appliance to fit in the closet. I would accept the light off the 110v circuit. Ron
 
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You have to have the receptacle if you have the laundry. Does not mean you have to use it.
You must have two sa circuits in the kitchen. Does not mean you have to use them.

You can not legally feed the light from this circuit.
 
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Originally posted by rcarroll:
IMO, the 220v recep takes care of the required laundry circuit, if indeed, the combo unit is the only appliance to fit in the closet. I would accept the light off the 110v circuit. Ron
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210.11(C)(2) Laundry Branch Circuits. In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F). This circuit shall have no other outlets.
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A circuit and receptacle are required to be installed. The 240 volt is not required. 1500 VA is required to be included in the service calculation for the laundry circuit also.
 
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Just out of curiosity, if you have a small closet, big enough for a washer/dryer combo only, & you install the required 22ov outlet for the unit plus the 110v outlet, just what are you going to use the 110v recep for?
 
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Originally posted by rcarroll:
Just out of curiosity, if you have a small closet, big enough for a washer/dryer combo only, & you install the required 22ov outlet for the unit plus the 110v outlet, just what are you going to use the 110v recep for?
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Nothing. Just make sure you install the little receptacle caps so the electricity does not leak out.
 
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Originally posted by rcarroll:
Just out of curiosity, if you have a small closet, big enough for a washer/dryer combo only, & you install the required 22ov outlet for the unit plus the 110v outlet, just what are you going to use the 110v recep for?
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To fulfill the requirements of the NEC.
 
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I used to require the outlet when I inspected, however (there is always a however in life) EC's would call & complain. So, my AHJ determined that the one outlet for the combo unit was enough & we can't ask for the 120v recep anymore.
 
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I would allow the 20 amp circuit to supply the lights. The way I see it is, if I were the AHJ, I would consider the 30 amp laundry circuit to have satisfied the requirement for "at least one additional 20-ampere branch circuit." I would interpret the phrase "at least" in such a way as to say a 30 amp circuit is "at least" a 20 amp circuit. That is a stretch, I know. But I think it is the right thing to do, and I would look for a way to interpret the code in such a way as to call this installation legal.

By the way, I would treat it differently if the soon-to-be owner of a new house said he had one of these 220V/30A laundry machines that he was going to use in the basement. I would require a separate 120V/20A circuit to be installed, with it serving no other outlets than one laundry receptacle. My reasoning is that the next person to buy the house might have the more common types of laundry machines, and therefore might need the 120V/20A circuit. What is different about the situation in this thread is that there is no way for a set of conventional laundry machines to be placed there.
 
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Originally posted by rcarroll:
I used to require the outlet when I inspected, however (there is always a however in life) EC's would call & complain. So, my AHJ determined that the one outlet for the combo unit was enough & we can't ask for the 120v recep anymore.
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That is ridiculous.
 
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I beiieve that some of the front loading machines can be "stacked" dryer on top of washer (2 separate appliances) and then washer will require 120 volt receptacle.
 
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Electricmanscott, I agree that it is rediculous, but that's the way it is in my town. Now let me digress to the lighter side. I'm a dedicated circuit. 125 volts, 20 amps of churnin, yearnin, burnin power doing nothing. Along comes the chance to light up a puny 60 watt lamp ot 2' flourescent bulb. Like a caged rooster at an egg farm, I'm getting out :D
 
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Originally posted by jwelectric:
Now lets get another debate started.
:)
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What determines when a laundy receptacle is required?

Are all dwelling units required to have a laundry receptacle?

:p
 
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All single-family dwelling units are required to have a laundry circuit. 210.52(F) gives two exceptions for other-than-single family units. But you know that. So what is today's game? :D :D
 
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Not much of a game, just trying to help Mike's challenge. :D

Exception No. 2: In other than one-family dwellings where laundry facilities are not to be installed or permitted, a laundry receptacle shall not be required.
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So if I had a single family dwelling that the owner was not installing laundry facilities I would have to install a laundry outlet?

Where would it be located?

My guess is right beside the electric panel. ;)
 
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Originally posted by rcarroll:
Electricmanscott, I agree that it is rediculous, but that's the way it is in my town. Now let me digress to the lighter side. I'm a dedicated circuit. 125 volts, 20 amps of churnin, yearnin, burnin power doing nothing. Along comes the chance to light up a puny 60 watt lamp ot 2' flourescent bulb. Like a caged rooster at an egg farm, I'm getting out :D
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Harmless I know. I am just arguing the technicality of the code. With that I don't see it being legal.
 
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Bob stop! You are going to turn this into a light plugged into a small appliance circuit type thread. :D
 
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