Laundry receptacles

[hurk27]

Re: Laundry receptacles

Rick where do you see "room" in 210.11(C)(2)????
There is no requirement to supply only a room with a "laundry" circuit. The requirement is for only for the laundry receptacle outlet(s) which to me would include only the outlets provided for laundry equipment.
This in no way Say's if we have other equipment that is not laundry equipment in the same room, that we can not provide a circuit for this equipment.

If you have your laundry equipment in the kitchen it would still be code compliant as the NEC does not state "room" in the requirement. If it did and you put your laundry equipment in the kitchen then what would you do about all the other equipment in there?

[ January 20, 2006, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]

 

[George Stolz]

Re: Laundry receptacles

Here's to hoping the NFPA goes for changing it to "Laundry Equipment Circuit" instead of "Laundry Circuit."

 

[scwirenut]

Re: Laundry receptacles

I copied this from the IAEI website:
Question 2. I am an electrical contractor, and one of my incorporated areas has an inspector who says the laundry room must have a separate circuit for just the washer, and that if we install another outlet in the room for a convenience outlet, it must be on another circuit. My interpretation of 210.11 (C)(2) [NEC 2002] is that all the outlets in the laundry room should be on the same circuit.

If I am not correct, would the second (and any additional outlets) have to be on a 20- or 15-amp circuit, and would the washer outlet have to be a single outlet? If I am correct, what can I use to convince the inspector? B.T.

Answer 2. Section 210.52(F) refers to laundry areas rather than a laundry room. Section 210.11(C)(2) states that the laundry branch circuit is allowed to supply outlet(s). ?At least one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F)...?

This section allows an additional outlet to be installed for laundry equipment in the laundry area (for example, a plug receptacle to be used for an iron or additional laundry equipment located within the laundry area).

The inspector?s interpretation that another outlet installed in the laundry area for a convenience outlet would be correct if the use is not for associated laundry equipment. The interpretation by the authority having jurisdiction (inspector) would determine the use of additional outlet(s) from the laundry branch circuit.

The laundry area/laundry room can be supplied by additional branch circuits/outlets of either 15- or 20-ampere circuits for general use. However, the laundry receptacle outlet(s) is required by 210.11(C)(2) to be a 20-ampere branch circuit. ?Ernie Broome, CMP-2

 

[PlnOldRick]

Re: Laundry receptacles

Originally posted by hurk27:
Rick where do you see "room" in 210.11(C)(2)????
There is no requirement to supply only a room with a "laundry" circuit. The requirement is for only for the laundry receptacle outlet(s) which to me would include only the outlets provided for laundry equipment.
This in no way Say's if we have other equipment that is not laundry equipment in the same room, that we can not provide a circuit for this equipment.

If you have your laundry equipment in the kitchen it would still be code compliant as the NEC does not state "room" in the requirement. If it did and you put your laundry equipment in the kitchen then what would you do about all the other equipment in there?

i see and understand what your saying. i would imagine the words area or space may be better suited then "room". none the less none of those words are in the code. my question is if the laundry is in the kitchen is it still a kitchen or is it a laundry? which would have precident? the way i saw it is no matter if it is in its own room or located in some void in the space time it still has an area designated as laundry area. i have seen many wide open spaces where a living room and dining room are indistinguishable. where do i stop my 20a circuit for the dining room and start my 15a circuit for the living room. what if a front loading washer and dryer are installed in the kitchen seperate from what would normally be considered the countertop area but still within the confine of the designated kitchen only underneath cabinetry. and say the print called for a recep above that cabinet on counter space that houses the washer and dryer. would i be required to follow countertop guidlines and small apliance branch circuit requirements or would this be laundry circuit(s)?

my point is that i am not going to sit here and nit pick every aspect of the wording written for something like this. if the washer and dryer are in a room that has nothing else in it, it is a laundry room and the outlets in that room to me are laundry outlets. put simply the space or area defines itself.

im not tryin to argue with ya, more like explain what i see. but in the end its just another section of the book that needs some more definition.

 

[hurk27]

Re: Laundry receptacles

if the washer and dryer are in a room that has nothing else in it, it is a laundry room and the outlets in that room to me are laundry outlets.

Thats just it, the code doesn't state room because they are only concerned about the circuit that feeds "laundry equipment" Now a kitchen, pantry, breakfast room, dining room, is spelled right out in the code to include the whole room not just a circuit, but if we look at 210.52(B)(1):

(B) Small Appliances.
(1) Receptacle Outlets Served. In the kitchen, pantry, breakfast room , dining room , or similar area of a dwelling unit, the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch circuits required by 210.11(C)(1) shall serve all receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A) and (C) and receptacle outlets for refrigeration equipment.

It clearly states "Room" which the intent is the two or more SA circuits are to serve the whole room. And if we look at 210.52(B)(3) it allows more circuits to also be used but when they serve the receptacles in these rooms they become SA circuits and have to follow the rules as such.

But when we look at 210.52(F) All it requires is to install at least one receptacle for the laundry equipment. Yes if needed we can install more but as long as other equipment is fed from other circuits code is satisfied. If the circuit feeds any laundry equipment then it can only feed laundry equipment.
How many houses have the furnace, hot water heater, water softener in the laundry room to save space. Many of these appliances are cord and plug connected. And/or require there own circuit and wouldn't be allowed on a laundry circuit.

In 210.11(C) we only need to be concerned about the receptacles that will supply laundry equipment, the rest of the room can be fed to meet code required for the other equipment, that is why the whole room is not included like it is for SA circuits, and bathrooms

[ January 21, 2006, 04:39 AM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]