LED Recessed lighting for my house

SSDriver

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California
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Electrician
I haven't done any residential lighting in 15+ years and can light options has changed quite a bit. I'm in escrow for a house that has almost no ceiling lights in most rooms. The kitchen and Den will be getting some recessed lighting first and I'm not sure what the best route is. I'm not a fan of wafer light installation, I would rather change out a trim kit when lights go out than anything going trough drywall directly after everything is painted. The kitchen has a 5x8 dropped section in the middle with florescent lights that will be removed.

I see my two options as.

1. Retrofit can like the HALO ultra-shallow IC rated can that will fit in a 2x4 ceiling. And then installing an LED trim kit.

2. Junction box at each location with an LED trim kit that work with JBs.

My questions:

1. Am I missing an option other than wafers (not a fan).

2. Will gimbal style trim kits fit in a junction box? If so what junction boxes do you guys use for these?

4. What spacing would be ideal for 8-10' ceilings in rooms about 12' wide?

5. 4" or 6" lights for kitchen and Den?

6. What brands/models are good at a reasonable price without having issues while dimming?

Assume this is your house for quality, price and options. I'm sure wafers are a big plus on cost and time for a customers house, but I don't like pulling the idea of pulling them out of the drywall/ceiling each time one goes out.
 

AC\DC

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Florence,Oregon,Lane
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EC
If you only have 2x4 clearance than either https://rexel-cdn.com/Products/Halo/H245RICAT.pdf?i=9D22303F-BC1C-4C0E-89AA-B29390119F94
Or the wafers you mentioned.
These trims fit in the housing



Here is your gimbal

For brand
Copper/Juno/lithonia, plus all the others depends on what you like.

I linked 4” down lights cause 4” will make your room feel larger than 6”.

Spacing all depends on what the room will be used for and what obstruction you will come across.

My 2 cents
 

James L

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Location
Kansas Cty, Mo, USA
Occupation
Electrician
Spacing also depends on beam angle.

Most standard looking can light trims have SMDs and have beam angle around 90-100 degrees.

Edge lit panels have a beam angle of 120-130 degrees

Gimbals come 2 ways - SMD (with frosted lens) and COB with a reflector inside and clear lens.

SMD style has same beam angle as SMD mentioned about. COB style are really spots, with beam angle of 50-60 degrees

If you use junction boxes with some disk kind of light, pick your lights first - then buy the boxes that work. But usually deeper is better.
 

brantmacga

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Georgia
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Electrical Monke
I don’t like the look of wafers either.

I’ve recently used some of the Commercial Electric brand that have a 1” baffle and remote driver. They look nice. Also they have a switch for CCT that goes from 2700K up to 5000k.

But mostly I’ve been using Nicor brand recessed lighting for residential. I really like their small aperture recessed lights.


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James L

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Location
Kansas Cty, Mo, USA
Occupation
Electrician
I don’t like the look of wafers either.

I’ve recently used some of the Commercial Electric brand that have a 1” baffle and remote driver. They look nice. Also they have a switch for CCT that goes from 2700K up to 5000k.

But mostly I’ve been using Nicor brand recessed lighting for residential. I really like their small aperture recessed lights.


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The slim panels (wafers) are really nice for lower ceilings, such as basements, because they're edge lit. That makes the beam angle very wide. Narrow beam angle in low ceilings makes a spot effect
 

Flicker Index

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Pac NW
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Lights
I don’t like the look of wafers either.

I’ve recently used some of the Commercial Electric brand that have a 1” baffle and remote driver. They look nice. Also they have a switch for CCT that goes from 2700K up to 5000k.

But mostly I’ve been using Nicor brand recessed lighting for residential. I really like their small aperture recessed lights.


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You ought to be careful with those, especially with house brands like Commercial Electric with short product life cycle. I don't remember the model but there was one that failed consistently when used on the 3000 or 5000 setting. The reason. The fixture was made with equal number of 3,000K and 5,000K LED elements and when it was set to 4,000, every element fired at half power. When set to 3,000 or 5,000, only half the elements were powered up, but at double the power per element. They were not designed conservatively enough and when set to 3K or 5K, many fixtures experienced LED element failures in a matter of months.
 

SSDriver

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Location
California
Occupation
Electrician
Thanks for all the replies. I still have about 2 weeks until escrow closes. I ended up ordering HALO ultra thin 4" retrofit cans
that will fit in a 2x4 ceiling with an IC rating. And HALO selectable LED baffle trims 2.7k to 5k, RL4 915 lumens. Ceilings are 8' high. I was planning on putting the cans about 2.5' off the walls and 4-5' apart depending on framing .

I'm still trying to figure out what smart dimmers I will be installing. I have experience with the Lutron Caseta but I do like how large the dimmer buttons are on the physical switch. When it's dark and you go to turn them on you often hit the dimmer up/down button. Anyone have experience with the Leviton Decora SmartDimmers that do not need a HUB?


H245RICAT​

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RL4099S1EWHR​

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James L

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Location
Kansas Cty, Mo, USA
Occupation
Electrician
Thanks for all the replies. I still have about 2 weeks until escrow closes. I ended up ordering HALO ultra thin 4" retrofit cans
that will fit in a 2x4 ceiling with an IC rating. And HALO selectable LED baffle trims 2.7k to 5k, RL4 915 lumens. Ceilings are 8' high. I was planning on putting the cans about 2.5' off the walls and 4-5' apart depending on framing .

I'm still trying to figure out what smart dimmers I will be installing. I have experience with the Lutron Caseta but I do like how large the dimmer buttons are on the physical switch. When it's dark and you go to turn them on you often hit the dimmer up/down button. Anyone have experience with the Leviton Decora SmartDimmers that do not need a HUB?


H245RICAT​

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RL4099S1EWHR​

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The only experience I have with Leviton smart dimmers, is that I have a box full of them sitting in my garage. A guy wanted me to swap out all of his switches about 3 years ago, and he bought all of them and brought them to my house. Then out of nowhere, he sold his house and moved out of state.
 
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