Lighting from Italy installed in US NEC approved?

[DannyBoiii]

I have a customer who recently bought some lights from Italy and wants to install them in his house in the US. Does anyone know if these lights will work and if it is NEC approved.

 

[roger]

410.6 as far as the NEC is concerned

 

[ptonsparky]

We get fixtures from China, why not Italy?

 

[hillbilly1]

A lot of inspectors look to see if they are listed. We did a huge mansion (480 volt three phase service) in South Georgia where the fixtures came from another country, may have been Italy, but the inspector would not allow them. So listed fixtures were put up, then the company came back after the inspection and took them down.

 

[petersonra]

If they are fixed in place the inspectors can see easily if they are listed or not.

If they are plug in lamps, best to not have them there until after final inspection.

 

[suemarkp]

Are the lights 240V (for Europe power) or 120V? Are the lamps fixed or edison screw based?

 

[tortuga]

I've seen lots of "listed" light fixtures with the UL or ETL sticker that turned out to be fake, or pulled off a different fixture. Then UL makes it next to impossible to look up a product listing anymore unless you pay them, so the whole listed fixture thing has become unenforceable.
I'd say look over article 410, use your best judgement and common sense, older versions of the code did not require fixtures to be listed.

 

[letgomywago]

I've seen lots of "listed" light fixtures with the UL or ETL sticker that turned out to be fake, or pulled off a different fixture. Then UL makes it next to impossible to look up a product listing anymore unless you pay them, so the whole listed fixture thing has become unenforceable.
I'd say look over article 410, use your best judgement and common sense, older versions of the code did not require fixtures to be listed.

I'd rather they go back to construction spec or listed it'd make my life easier

 

[don_resqcapt19]

I've seen lots of "listed" light fixtures with the UL or ETL sticker that turned out to be fake, or pulled off a different fixture. Then UL makes it next to impossible to look up a product listing anymore unless you pay them, so the whole listed fixture thing has become unenforceable.
I'd say look over article 410, use your best judgement and common sense, older versions of the code did not require fixtures to be listed.

Is this no longer free?

 

[tortuga]

Is this no longer free?

Correct
No free option for viewing a UL confirmation letter, which is what you need to actually verify a listing is legit.
Been down this block with fraudulent LED under cab lights and wafer lights sold by a large reputable supply house.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Correct
No free option for viewing a UL confirmation letter, which is what you need to actually verify a listing is legit.
Been down this block with fraudulent LED under cab lights and wafer lights sold by a large reputable supply house.
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But you can still get to the model numbers of the products that are listed under that "E" number. If the tag is counterfeit, the fake product model number should not be on the UL list.

 

[retirede]

But you can still get to the model numbers of the products that are listed under that "E" number. If the tag is counterfeit, the fake product model number should not be on the UL list.

If they can steal the “E” number, they can steal an associated model number.

 

[Fred B]

We get fixtures from China, why not Italy?

Doesn't matter where it comes from if the product is really listed. But seen way too many that aren't listed at all, especially from internet order. Had customer provided light that wasn't even wired correctly and the apparent Edison base wouldn't take a standard screw in bulb, only to find out it was a 230V base.

UL Rep told me that they have been getting forged UL coming thru multiple ports for some time now. Told of phony SD breakers that were nothing but a switch, no overcurrent/overload at all.

 

[augie47]

Most AHJs will accept items approved by any NRTL. There are some who would likely approve the fixture.

 

[letgomywago]

Most AHJs will accept items approved by any NRTL. There are some who would likely approve the fixture.

A counterfeit NRTL listing label shouldn't be allowed. Obviously an interteck fixture should be allowed.

 

[augie47]

I was suggesting he have a NRTL evaluate and approve the fixture.

 

[letgomywago]

I was suggesting he have a NRTL evaluate and approve the fixture.

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