Line Reactor or not

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When installing a vfd are line reactors always required ? We are replacing one vfd that was used for a 10 hp 480volt motor , the vfd has no output voltage and acording to the tech department it has internal damage.
We also notice the have many small motors 1 - 10 hp that use vfd to controll the motor and none have reactors . I though using reactor would atleast help with harmonic current. Am I wrong thinking that ?
 
A reactor on the line side of the drive (upstream) will help you with two things:

- it will reduce the harmonic currents flowing from the drive up into the power system

- it will reduce the magnitude of voltage transients coming from the power system to the drive.

I install 3% reactors on all 480V drives for the second reason. We have had transient problems with utility capacitor banks closing. It is possible to have transient recovery voltage spikes from vacuum contactors and breakers that could affect a drive.

Harmonics can become an issue when a large fraction of the power consumed on a bus is consumed by electronic devices with diode bridge input converters, but in many industrial plants this is not the case. There are a lot of people out there who sell wonderful (and expensive) instruments to help you diagnose harmonics problems when the vast majority of people do not have any harmonics problems. Power quality issues related to drives are much more likely related to the PWM output pulse rise time frequency being radiated from the motor leads that are not adequately shielded.
 
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A reactor on the line side of the drive (upstream) will help you with two things:

- it will reduce the harmonic currents flowing from the drive up into the power system.
A good DC choke (reactor) is more effective.
 
A reactor on the line side of the drive (upstream) will help you with two things:

- it will reduce the harmonic currents flowing from the drive up into the power system

- it will reduce the magnitude of voltage transients coming from the power system to the drive.

I install 3% reactors on all 480V drives for the second reason. We have had transient problems with utility capacitor banks closing. It is possible to have transient recovery voltage spikes from vacuum contactors and breakers that could affect a drive.

Harmonics can become an issue when a large fraction of the power consumed on a bus is consumed by electronic devices with diode bridge input converters, but in many industrial plants this is not the case. There are a lot of people out there who sell wonderful (and expensive) instruments to help you diagnose harmonics problems when the vast majority of people do not have any harmonics problems. Power quality issues related to drives are much more likely related to the PWM output pulse rise time frequency being radiated from the motor leads that are not adequately shielded.

Drives should be engineered applications, especially when it comes to line reactors or drive characteristics that may effect other areas of the system. Having said the preceding, there are many drive applications though that can be simply 'thrown' on without any detail work, but the person at least should be familiar with the basic issues potential and decide if they merit further investigation. Unfortunately drive manufacturers do little to educate or include sufficient warning, besides citing various Standards and even engineers are largely unfamiliar with those.

Ex. We had XYZ manufacturer marketing a pumping "system" that was sold to one of our project engineer, installed by an electrician that resulted in:

  • Burning up the motor winding,
  • creating all sort of interference and shutdown of equipment until we found out that there was a new installation added to our system.
Another one destroyed the bearings of an existing, otherwise perfectly healthy motor.

The output power 'quality' will only affect the motor, not the system. Radiated or coupled noise interference from the output is not a power quality issue, but could be a problem. Power quality problems are usually referred to characteristics of the power that will affect the connected equipment.
 
Drives should be engineered applications, especially when it comes to line reactors or drive characteristics that may effect other areas of the system. Having said the preceding, there are many drive applications though that can be simply 'thrown' on without any detail work, but the person at least should be familiar with the basic issues potential and decide if they merit further investigation. Unfortunately drive manufacturers do little to educate or include sufficient warning, besides citing various Standards and even engineers are largely unfamiliar with those.

Ex. We had XYZ manufacturer marketing a pumping "system" that was sold to one of our project engineer, installed by an electrician that resulted in:

  • Burning up the motor winding,
  • creating all sort of interference and shutdown of equipment until we found out that there was a new installation added to our system.
Another one destroyed the bearings of an existing, otherwise perfectly healthy motor.

The output power 'quality' will only affect the motor, not the system. Radiated or coupled noise interference from the output is not a power quality issue, but could be a problem. Power quality problems are usually referred to characteristics of the power that will affect the connected equipment.


Do line reactors have anything to do with the problems you described?
 
When installing a vfd are line reactors always required ? We are replacing one vfd that was used for a 10 hp 480volt motor , the vfd has no output voltage and acording to the tech department it has internal damage.
We also notice the have many small motors 1 - 10 hp that use vfd to controll the motor and none have reactors . I though using reactor would atleast help with harmonic current. Am I wrong thinking that ?


No, you are also right but it has many parts please read the below topic which I had saved in my computer regarding to line reactor.


Line reactors

Usage,

1- it is used as a current limit device
2- it is used to filter the waveform
3- it is used to attenuate electrical noise and transients

For Harmonic,
Harmonic compensated line reactors are specially designed to handle the waveform's harmonic content. By inserting inductive reactance into the circuit, which is a high impedance to harmonic frequencies, line reactors reduce the amount of harmonics produced by a VFD system. For harmonic reduction purposes, you typically apply 5% impedance line reactors to the input of motor drives 20 hp and higher. This reduces input harmonics to 35% total harmonic current distortion (THID) or less and minimizes the effects of harmonics on motors and other devices powered off the same electrical system.




Drive protection.
In situations where you have drives located very close to the incoming facility power source, such as a substation, they may be susceptible to any incoming spikes and other transients. This is because there may not be enough impedance (in the form of transformers, power feeders, and the like) to help counteract these transient voltage spikes. This situation can damage the front end (diode section) of the drives or cause nuisance overvoltage tripping on the system. Installing a 5% impedance line reactor at the input to each drive helps counteract line spikes, keeping them from tripping or damaging the drives.

On the other hand, if you have drives located far from the facility power source (as often seen in hospitals), they may be affected by line harmonics caused by other harmonic-generating equipment (nonlinear loads). In most applications, harmonic problems are best solved at their source. Look for large nonlinear loads, such as VFDs, and apply a 5% impedance line reactor on the input to those pieces of equipment to minimize the system harmonics.

Motor protection.

A reactor that is compensated for high frequencies and protected against fast rising voltage pulses is a very effective dv/dt (rate of change of voltage with respect to time) filter, and you can use it on the load side of the drive (between the drive and motor). Fast changing pulse-width modulation (PWM) voltage pulses in PWM drives can interact with the distributed inductance and capacitance of long motor leads. This, in turn, can result in amplified peak voltages as high as 1,600V at motor terminals. In fact, the longer the cable length, the higher the peak overvoltage at the motor terminals.

This phenomenon, known as long lead effect, can stress and consequently degrade the insulation around the stator windings of motors, resulting in shorter motor life. Some have tried to compensate for the higher frequencies and harmonic currents present in the drive output waveform by oversizing the unprotected motor. A general practice is to use a 5% impedance load reactor on the load side of a VFD when the motor lead length is greater than 100 ft. Typically, you can use two 5% impedance reactors in series (10% impedance) if the motor leads exceed 1,000 ft in length.

Motor noise reduction.

To reduce the audible motor noise and telephone interference factor associated with PWM drive switching rates between 1 kHz and 8 kHz, manufacturers developed VFDs with switching frequencies as high as 20 kHz. While the higher frequencies did reduce motor noise, they also aggravated PWM pulse contribution to excessive motor-shaft voltage and current that can discharge across motor bearings. VFDs that use insulated-gate bi-polar transistors (IGBTs) as high-frequency switches are most likely to cause bearing discharge current.

Where a motor, by necessity, is extremely far from its drive, you can install a high-frequency compensated reactor on the load side of the drive, either at the drive end or motor end, to help protect the motor from overvoltage, stress from PWM voltage pulses, overheating and resulting stator insulation degradation, while reducing the motor whine.

VFD protection.

The load reactor also acts as a current-limiting device to protect the drive under motor short circuit conditions. Here, the line reactor slows the rate of rise of the short-circuit current and limits the current to an acceptable level.


By slowing the rate of rise of current, the reactor allows time for protection circuits in the drive to react to the short circuit and trip out safely, saving the IGBTs. The reactor also absorbs current surges created by the motor load that might otherwise cause nuisance tripping of the drive. Machine jams, multiple motor switching, and other application changes to the drive load cause motor load surges. Fig. 2 shows reactors on the load side of single and multiple motors.

Looking at the load side reactor from the motor view, the ability of the reactor to filter the waveform produced by the VFD improves the performance of both the motor and the total system
 
Do line reactors have anything to do with the problems you described?

The question indicated - to me - that the drive are not applied in a systemic, engineered fashion. If one approaches ASD applications in that way the results and accompanying problems are unpredictable. Then the resulting 'fixes' may create more problems. There was no indication that the failed drive problem was attributed to the lack of a line reactor, yet it was intended to be applied. Throwing money at things only works according to the Government, not real life.
 
The question indicated - to me - that the drive are not applied in a systemic, engineered fashion. If one approaches ASD applications in that way the results and accompanying problems are unpredictable. Then the resulting 'fixes' may create more problems. There was no indication that the failed drive problem was attributed to the lack of a line reactor, yet it was intended to be applied. Throwing money at things only works according to the Government, not real life.

Gotcha. I agree that installing a ASD should be engineered and not done willy nilly. For some reason, I interpreted your previous post as saying that the reactors played some part in causing the problems listed.

I was not aware that reactors could be placed on the load side of an ASD to reduce peak PWM voltages at the motor caused by long runs from drive to motor. Interesting.
 
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