Any NFPA member that wants to vote on a motion can attend a meeting. I am sure that there have been cases where other groups have mobilized their membership to vote at the annual meeting.this is an epiphany Den?
Not sure if the NFPA uses Robert's Rules for their meetings....that gives way too much power to the person running the meeting.I'm more than familiar with Roberts rules Don, in fact i've been in a position to have to moderate them
My point would be, they do not exclude bias , nor agenda
especially if they've a personal fortune at stake DonNothing that includes people will ever exclude bias or agenda as everyone has a bias and an agenda.
I am sorry but every human has bias and agenda, and your comments reflect yours.especially if they've a personal fortune at stake Don
follow the $$$, and this becomes relevant
altruism has taken a back seat to this
The consumer protectants, the NRTL's , the trade rags, along with the nema men infiltrating all the IAEI meeting with their dis information campaign, and of course all the corporate espionage that always manages to keep the manufacturers from a court docket.
So let's not be naïve about their existence and/or impact on the NEC
pity solves very little Don, and if i've any agenda it's speaking truth to a powerful industryI am sorry but every human has bias and agenda, and your comments reflect yours.
Nothing done by humans has ever been perfect and nothing done by us ever will be perfect.
I actually believe that the AFCI works.....but very very few fires originate from an arcing fault. Most originate from heat producing high resistance connections.pity solves very little Don, and if i've any agenda it's speaking truth to a powerful industry
Notice how the afci threads come more frequently? Not unexpected, considering their ongoing adoption....
You see, the only way that this industry continues to survive is , to obfuscate electrical theory , along with as many parrots they can gain to do so
Let me ask you something FF to FF Don , would you be offended if i gave someone an empty fire extinguisher, and told them they were safe? (fwiw, a fatality i witnessed)
If so, you should be equally offended by the afci industry
Inspector's can fail the breaker per 110.2 & 110.3(B) if not listed for that panel, regardless of the branch circuit having a Leviton AF/GF, or other dual function outlet device.If one installs a combination afci/gfi receptacle, what would be the listed breaker combination if for example the device is leviton
There is...it is just that they have a very limited actual use....very few dwelling unit fires originate from the type of event that an AFCI can detect.so do many folks Don
but the NFPA should not be turning the trade into a religion
there has to be solid electrical theory for it to be otherwise.....
Yes, and you've done a grand job of the statistical assessment in the past Don.There is...it is just that they have a very limited actual use....very few dwelling unit fires originate from the type of event that an AFCI can detect.