LOCK out TAG out
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Re: LOCK out TAG out
NFPA 70E, Electrical Safety Requirements for Employee Workplaces. This is the essential electrical safety standard and is used by OSHA. Find it at necdirect.orgw
You have to attempt the find the person who installed the lock, and reference is made to the person in charge.
[ December 12, 2004, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: tom baker ]
NFPA 70E, Electrical Safety Requirements for Employee Workplaces. This is the essential electrical safety standard and is used by OSHA. Find it at necdirect.orgw
You have to attempt the find the person who installed the lock, and reference is made to the person in charge.
[ December 12, 2004, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: tom baker ]
ralpha494
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Re: LOCK out TAG out
The law itself is 29 CFR 1910.147(6)(e)(3)
"Lockout or tagout devices removal.
Each lockout or tagout device shall be removed from each energy isolating device by the employee who applied the device. Exception to paragraph (e)(3): When the authorized employee who applied the lockout or tagout device is not available to remove it, that device may be removed under the direction of the employer, provided that specific procedures and training for such removal have been developed, documented and incorporated into the employer's energy control program. The employer shall demonstrate that the specific procedure provides equivalent safety to the removal of the device by the authorized employee who applied it. The specific procedure shall include at least the following elements:
(i)Verification by the employer that the authorized employee who applied the device is not at the facility;
(ii)Making all reasonable efforts to contact the authorized employee to inform him/her lockout or tagout device has been removed; and
(iii)Ensuring that the authorized employee has this knowledge before he/she resumes work at that facility.
The law itself is 29 CFR 1910.147(6)(e)(3)
"Lockout or tagout devices removal.
Each lockout or tagout device shall be removed from each energy isolating device by the employee who applied the device. Exception to paragraph (e)(3): When the authorized employee who applied the lockout or tagout device is not available to remove it, that device may be removed under the direction of the employer, provided that specific procedures and training for such removal have been developed, documented and incorporated into the employer's energy control program. The employer shall demonstrate that the specific procedure provides equivalent safety to the removal of the device by the authorized employee who applied it. The specific procedure shall include at least the following elements:
(i)Verification by the employer that the authorized employee who applied the device is not at the facility;
(ii)Making all reasonable efforts to contact the authorized employee to inform him/her lockout or tagout device has been removed; and
(iii)Ensuring that the authorized employee has this knowledge before he/she resumes work at that facility.
Re: LOCK out TAG out
I work for NJDOT they paid good money for the saftey class I went to, Instructor, put this very clear, remove a lockout that isn't yours and your fired, you may also be killing someone. I work in alot of crappy places( our interstates and highways) the most important thing is NOT getting the job done, it's going home after.
I work for NJDOT they paid good money for the saftey class I went to, Instructor, put this very clear, remove a lockout that isn't yours and your fired, you may also be killing someone. I work in alot of crappy places( our interstates and highways) the most important thing is NOT getting the job done, it's going home after.
friebel
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Tom Baker gave you the best advice, you need to go to NFPA 70E, this is the "Electrical Safety Requirements for Employee Workplaces".
I worked for the Dupont company and I am now retired. You mentioned that your instructor stated, that if someone removes a lock that is not theirs, they will be fired. NFPA 70E does not state that.
The company that you work for will have their own rules and regulations persuant to the NFPA 70E.
I can assure you that someone that removes another persons lock would certainly receive some sort of harsh discipline. I will give you a good example of how we were to handle a situation of removing someones safety lock on a piece of equipment, at my company.
I have been called at home and informed that one of my men had left their lock on a piece of equipment that they needed to energize.
My first step was to call the employee involved, but if I could not reach him, I would have to go into the plant and make sure that all is safe and clear before I would remove his lock. After doing this, then I would cut his lock off.
I can assure you, that at any good reputable company, that this would be the same standard.
But, again I have heard of cases where locks have been removed without doing any research work, but not at any good reputable company.
Tom Baker gave you the best advice, you need to go to NFPA 70E, this is the "Electrical Safety Requirements for Employee Workplaces".
I worked for the Dupont company and I am now retired. You mentioned that your instructor stated, that if someone removes a lock that is not theirs, they will be fired. NFPA 70E does not state that.
The company that you work for will have their own rules and regulations persuant to the NFPA 70E.
I can assure you that someone that removes another persons lock would certainly receive some sort of harsh discipline. I will give you a good example of how we were to handle a situation of removing someones safety lock on a piece of equipment, at my company.
I have been called at home and informed that one of my men had left their lock on a piece of equipment that they needed to energize.
My first step was to call the employee involved, but if I could not reach him, I would have to go into the plant and make sure that all is safe and clear before I would remove his lock. After doing this, then I would cut his lock off.
I can assure you, that at any good reputable company, that this would be the same standard.
But, again I have heard of cases where locks have been removed without doing any research work, but not at any good reputable company.
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Re: LOCK out TAG out
OSHA has a procedure for others to remove a lock you placed.
Obviously removing LOTO is not to be taken lightly.
Ken that may be NJDOT policy but it is not OSHA policy.
OSHA has a procedure for others to remove a lock you placed.
Obviously removing LOTO is not to be taken lightly.
petersonra
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- Northern illinois
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- engineer
Re: LOCK out TAG out
It depends on the place too. Smaller companies tend to have looser rules on this, and for good reason. With fewer people around there is less chance of miscommunication.
The more people floating around the more chance for someone not being informed.
I worked for a while on a line in an explosives plant. They had a rule that only the plant manager could sign a hot work permit or remove a lock. If he was not around, you were just out of luck until he could get there.
And they had some strange definitions of hot work. Anything involving the use of equipment with a battery in it was considered hot work. So each Monday morning all the techs and engineers would get a hot work permit good for the week only to use voltmeters and computers in certain areas.
It depends on the place too. Smaller companies tend to have looser rules on this, and for good reason. With fewer people around there is less chance of miscommunication.
The more people floating around the more chance for someone not being informed.
I worked for a while on a line in an explosives plant. They had a rule that only the plant manager could sign a hot work permit or remove a lock. If he was not around, you were just out of luck until he could get there.
And they had some strange definitions of hot work. Anything involving the use of equipment with a battery in it was considered hot work. So each Monday morning all the techs and engineers would get a hot work permit good for the week only to use voltmeters and computers in certain areas.
charlie
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Re: LOCK out TAG out
They probably had a few rules about smoking on the line.
They probably had a few rules about smoking on the line.
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