Looking for Gould Breaker/Starter Cutsheets

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Does anybody have cutsheets for old Gould/ITE breaker/starter equipment? This would be original equipment in a 5600 series MCC. I can't find ANYTHING on the internet... They must exist as people ordered this stuff somehow :?

Here's an example...

Breaker: A803E
Trip Unit: A80N10
Starter: A203E

Thanks in advance.
 
The industrial controls div. of Gould Inc. was sold to Telemecanique, if they still support it have no idea.
 
And all of this predates the Internet or digitalization of manuals and data sheets by decades. So unless someone has scanned a paper copy, you are not going to find anything.

The contactors no longer exist in any format, though you may be able to scrounge around on Fleabay for old parts. I wouldn't bother though, because THOSE parts will all be old as well. The ITE/Goulds 5600 series was taken out of production 25 years ago and even before that, Siemens had jettisoned the old Goulds/Rundell starters to Telemecanhique, who then totally dumped it when they bought Sq. D, so it's likely been more that 30 years since those parts have been made by anyone.

You can still order replacement MCC buckets for 5600 series MCCs from Siemens that will plug in, but they will have Siemens breakers and starters in them (the breakers may be almost exactly the same however). The tricky part will be finding someone within Siemens that is aware of that! Their MCC specialists are supposed to know, but that's kind of hit and miss around the country.
http://www.industry.usa.siemens.com...nters/Documents/CCBR-MCCAR-0813_PRINT_low.pdf

Eaton also sells aftermarket retrofit buckets for 5600 MCCs that will be built with Cutler Hammer parts, but I'm not sure of the UL listing of those because UL listing of MCC units must include testing IN THE STRUCTURE, which Siemens owns the rights to.
 
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And all of this predates the Internet or digitalization of manuals and data sheets by decades. So unless someone has scanned a paper copy, you are not going to find anything.

The contactors no longer exist in any format, though you may be able to scrounge around on Fleabay for old parts. I wouldn't bother though, because THOSE parts will all be old as well. The ITE/Goulds 5600 series was taken out of production 25 years ago and even before that, Siemens had jettisoned the old Goulds/Rundell starters to Telemecanhique, who then totally dumped it when they bought Sq. D, so it's likely been more that 30 years since those parts have been made by anyone.

You can still order replacement MCC buckets for 5600 series MCCs from Siemens that will plug in, but they will have Siemens breakers and starters in them (the breakers may be almost exactly the same however). The tricky part will be finding someone within Siemens that is aware of that! Their MCC specialists are supposed to know, but that's kind of hit and miss around the country.
http://www.industry.usa.siemens.com...nters/Documents/CCBR-MCCAR-0813_PRINT_low.pdf

Eaton also sells aftermarket retrofit buckets for 5600 MCCs that will be built with Cutler Hammer parts, but I'm not sure of the UL listing of those because UL listing of MCC units must include testing IN THE STRUCTURE, which Siemens owns the rights to.
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You nailed it, Jraef. I'm working with a client to retrofit a 5600 MCC with Eaton buckets. It's a nuclear customer so the process requires extremely detailed evaluation. Generally we would evaluate on an old vs. new basis but without any information for the old... that approach is proving difficult. Of course we have plant configuration information to point to but I was hoping to come up with a second source of information to validate the design with. Thanks, and I'll keep my ears open. Somebody out there has one of these old catalogs...
 
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You nailed it, Jraef. I'm working with a client to retrofit a 5600 MCC with Eaton buckets. It's a nuclear customer so the process requires extremely detailed evaluation. Generally we would evaluate on an old vs. new basis but without any information for the old... that approach is proving difficult. Of course we have plant configuration information to point to but I was hoping to come up with a second source of information to validate the design with. Thanks, and I'll keep my ears open. Somebody out there has one of these old catalogs...
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I have all of those old cutsheets and decoders, and a large stock of the original buckets. We also build new replacements for these. I also happen to work in the nuclear industry so I feel your pain. Are these 1E or commercial grade?

PM me your contact info and I will try and help you out here.
 
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