Low Z DMM's?

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mdshunk

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Other than the Fluke 289, are there any other digital meters that have a low Z function, to rule out phantom voltage? Seems like there should be something cheaper. Do these T-plus meters have this function?
 

chris kennedy

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Other than the Fluke 289, are there any other digital meters that have a low Z function, to rule out phantom voltage? Seems like there should be something cheaper. Do these T-plus meters have this function?

Thanks. 1000. I see Klein is still selling the Wiggy.
 

cadpoint

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Durham, NC
"
The Fluke 114, 116 and 117 Digital Multimeter (DMM) series offer
several features designed to make electrical measurement easier,
safer, and more reliable. This application note describes what dual
impedance and voltage detection are and why it helps to have them
built in to your multimeter.

"

support/Fluke
 

IMM_Doctor

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No such thing as phantom voltage

No such thing as phantom voltage

There is no mystery as to why a High-Impedance Fluke (or other DMM) will show 120 vac even when there is an open neutral.

It is because of capacitance. A capacitor will pass AC voltages. When you have an insulated neutral conductor, (but open), it still has enough capacitance to pass enough AC voltage (at a very limited current level) to fully stimulate the A/D circuitry of a DMM. The completed circuit to the DMM, (with volts and mA calculations can be shown very effectively on paper).

Conversely, a LOW impedance solenoid tester can?t be fooled, as it needs a "true" complete, conductive path of substantial current carrying capability, to activate the serious current load of a solenoid.

My reason for post is only to object to the term "phantom", as it makes people think that magic is present. There is no 'phantom" voltage. The high impedance meter is doing exactly what it was designed to do, by give accurate voltage measurements, without affecting the overall current draw of the circuit being measured.

A green apprentice must be shown this, by an experienced journeyman, at length, at the first available opportunity. This usually shows up when there is an open neutral.

Just curious, is there new technology regarding the "3-eyed monster" plug-in checkers. I haven't used them, or seen one of them in many years. Are these LOW or
 

LarryFine

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A green apprentice must be shown this, by an experienced journeyman, at length, at the first available opportunity. This usually shows up when there is an open neutral.
That's easy enough. Connect the hi-Z meter, show the reading, then watch it while you parallel it with a wiggy.
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
Other than the Fluke 289, are there any other digital meters that have a low Z function, to rule out phantom voltage? Seems like there should be something cheaper. Do these T-plus meters have this function?

the old fluke 12's have a 2000 ohm shunt load on them, to put enough
of a load on the circuit to rule out spurious voltages. the shunt load can
be disabled if desired, for sensitive testing. they are still available new
on ebay.. fluke discontinued them awhile ago.


randy
 

mdshunk

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My reason for post is only to object to the term "phantom", as it makes people think that magic is present. There is no 'phantom" voltage. The high impedance meter is doing exactly what it was designed to do, by give accurate voltage measurements, without affecting the overall current draw of the circuit being measured.
If you object to that term, you're simply going to have to get over it. Like it or not, slang terminology pervades many trades. NEMA and Fluke both use that term:

http://support.fluke.com/find-sales/Download/Asset/2718074_0000_ENG_B_W.PDF


http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&star...7tCpDg&usg=AFQjCNGp8SS_IsWr8VX9jqC-5OfN9RruKg
 

mikeames

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Teacher - Master Electrician - 2017 NEC
I am totally ignorant on this so I am going to ask. Can a Cat 4 meter have a low impedance setting? After reading the fluke info that was posted here last week, I read that certain precautions must be designed into the meter so accidental low impedance settings cant be used on Cat 4 work. One example in the fluke reading was the fuse used for current readings. This makes sense but I never thought of that. I learned something there. So can CAT 4 devices have a low Z setting?
 
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