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Are these lugs rated for thhn? They are part of a generator cabinet, this generator cabinet is part of a 3 price switchgear, the store wanted to have a second separate enclosure for the generator so this is being fed by the other cabinet with 5 sets of 400 mcm copper
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THHN describes the insulation, not the conductor. Lugs are rated for wire size range, material (cu vs al), and possibly solid vs #of strands, but don’t care about the insulation.
 
THHN describes the insulation, not the conductor. Lugs are rated for wire size range, material (cu vs al), and possibly solid vs #of strands, but don’t care about the insulation.

I guess I was referring to normal 400 mcm copper vs that really fine stand generator cable wire they use that I don't know the name for,
 
I guess I was referring to normal 400 mcm copper vs that really fine stand generator cable wire they use that I don't know the name for,

Diesel Locomotive Wire (DLO), possibly. DLO wire has extremely fine strands. Or perhaps MTW (Machine Tool Wiring), as that also has fine strand patterns.

Generally, most lugs are rated for Class B and Class C stranding as a standard, and this is how most THWN-2 and XHHW-2 wire is made, which is the most common types used in building wiring. Class B is the minimum quantity of strands possible (7-strands in wires #2 and smaller), and class C is one up in number of circles of strands (19 strands in #2 and smaller). 7 and 19 are the extreme cases of greatest packing factor for circle packing in a circle, which are selected as strategy for stranded wiring. The next one up is 37, followed by 61.

Lugs also carry a temperature rating, in conjunction with the equipment to which they are connected. 75C is the most common, which means you need 75C wire sized at least to meet the 75C column of the ampacity table. 75C is the default for over 100A, and for 100A and less, there is a burden of proof to use greater than 60C. There are some devices, like breakers, which need to carry a slash rating for their terminations of "60/75C" if you had a desire to use 60C rated wire with 60C sizing. If equipment is straight-rated for 75C, you need to use 75C or greater wire in all cases. 60C wiring is very uncommon, as most wire available today is rated for 90C.
 
I guess I was referring to normal 400 mcm copper vs that really fine stand generator cable wire they use that I don't know the name for,

OK - those look like Burndy Scrulugs which meet UL468 A & B. So yes, they are rated for “normal” stranded wire that you are calling THHN.

I don’t know if they are also rated for the fine strand (DLO).
 
THHN describes the insulation, not the conductor. Lugs are rated for wire size range, material (cu vs al), and possibly solid vs #of strands, but don’t care about the insulation.

But it it a good idea that strip the insulation off the wire a little bit before you land it under the lug!


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OK - those look like Burndy Scrulugs which meet UL468 A & B. So yes, they are rated for “normal” stranded wire that you are calling THHN.

I don’t know if they are also rated for the fine strand (DLO).

Lug marking says 4/0 2090/30 ... 2090 strands of #30. So yes for DLO or other class H. Also shows 4/0 500 kcmil. I suspect these are maximum, don't see minimum.
 
Lug marking says 4/0 2090/30 ... 2090 strands of #30. So yes for DLO or other class H. Also shows 4/0 500 kcmil. I suspect these are maximum, don't see minimum.

George great info, do you have a source or a link where we can find this? I just had a discussion about this last week with someone and I would like to give them this info.
 
Diesel Locomotive Wire (DLO), possibly. DLO wire has extremely fine strands. Or perhaps MTW (Machine Tool Wiring), as that also has fine strand patterns.

Generally, most lugs are rated for Class B and Class C stranding as a standard, and this is how most THWN-2 and XHHW-2 wire is made, which is the most common types used in building wiring. Class B is the minimum quantity of strands possible (7-strands in wires #2 and smaller), and class C is one up in number of circles of strands (19 strands in #2 and smaller). 7 and 19 are the extreme cases of greatest packing factor for circle packing in a circle, which are selected as strategy for stranded wiring. The next one up is 37, followed by 61.

Lugs also carry a temperature rating, in conjunction with the equipment to which they are connected. 75C is the most common, which means you need 75C wire sized at least to meet the 75C column of the ampacity table. 75C is the default for over 100A, and for 100A and less, there is a burden of proof to use greater than 60C. There are some devices, like breakers, which need to carry a slash rating for their terminations of "60/75C" if you had a desire to use 60C rated wire with 60C sizing. If equipment is straight-rated for 75C, you need to use 75C or greater wire in all cases. 60C wiring is very uncommon, as most wire available today is rated for 90C.
There is a lot of Type NM cable still sold today. Though what they are making today is composed of 90C rated insulation NEC says we must treat it like it is 60 C insulation for termination and minimum ampacity purposes. And there is a lot of 60 C conductor still in use in older installations.
 
George great info, do you have a source or a link where we can find this? I just had a discussion about this last week with someone and I would like to give them this info.

On the photograph? Or are you looking for something else?
 
Lug marking says 4/0 2090/30 ... 2090 strands of #30. So yes for DLO or other class H. Also shows 4/0 500 kcmil. I suspect these are maximum, don't see minimum.
From a stranding aspect, I agree.2090/30 is class H stranding at that size. But DLO cable is not approved for use as building wire, i.e. it cannot be used for permanent installations.

MANY of the brands of DLO cable are "dual listed" as RHH/RHW, making them suitable for use in permanent installation, but you cannot ASS-U-Me it is the case.
 
Some documentation to substantiate what George has posted about the numbers on the terminal.

Stranding charts
https://www.coonerwire.com/stranding-chart/
https://lugsdirect.com/Wire-Stranding-by-Class.htm

FAQ
http://www.ihiconnectors.com/GuideToFlexFlexibleFineStrandedWireCableMechanicalLugsFAQ.html

Lug
http://ihiconnectors.com/IHI-single-wire-lugs.html#kcmil-500

Trying to same info, but burndy is squirrelly. It is a scrulug, similar to a KPA34
https://www.hubbell.com/burndy/en/P...rminals/Bolted/Cables-to-Flat/KPA34/p/2020466

Cannot pin down exact info/part on site yet for fine stranded wire.
 
But 2090 strands of 30 AWG is smaller than 4/0. 30 AWG = 100.5 circular mils so 2090 = 210,045 circular mils. 4/0 = 211,600 circular mils.
 
It has to do manufacturing variations, saw that is some literature also.

See the stranding chart I posted.
But with a specific marking like that, I would say it cannot be used with other strandings. In my opinion that marking limits the use of that lug to finely stranded conductors that have 2090 or less strands of 30 AWG.
 
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