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Aledrell

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So I am working with these AV guys (idiots) on this large home, roughing it in taking homeworks in to account. This is not the first Homeworks system I have done, I actually convinced the customer to look into a lighting system. I referred a company we worked well with in the past but the home owner took his quote and gave it out to other bidders and found someone from out of state to undercut him by 10g's. It was 40,000 to 30,000. Anyway, this new company drew up the plan trying to use a 5,000 sq ft system for a 12,000 sq ft home instead of the commerical system the other guy bid. I think they bit of more than they can chew on this one. So there 11 ceiling fans on the system and all are fan light combo. Designer who used pencil on print for design, place the fan light on one of the system circuits and the fan motor on another circuit. I told him this would reek have on arch fault breakers, in the bedrooms. But, I got to thinking and also in the kitchen and elsewhere, what happen when you try and put two seperate power sources (seperate phases) to a ceiling fan. The wiring in the fan "should" be independent of each other right. As anyone tried this? Either way I think I am going to end up redrawing the entire plan for this dude for free just to save myself headaches later.
 
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Celing fans should not cause problems with arc faults. I have never had a problem with it however, I was told it is not advised or not possible to put ceiling fans on the homeworks system. I cannot verify that but I remember something difficult about the system working with fans.
 
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Aledrell said:
. So there 11 ceiling fans on the system and all are fan light combo. Designer who used pencil on print for design, place the fan light on one of the system circuits and the fan motor on another circuit. I told him this would reek have on arch fault breakers, in the bedrooms. But, I got to thinking and also in the kitchen and elsewhere, what happen when you try and put two seperate power sources (seperate phases) to a ceiling fan. The wiring in the fan "should" be independent of each other right. As anyone tried this? Either way I think I am going to end up redrawing the entire plan for this dude for free just to save myself headaches later.
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Don't most ceiling fan motors and light kits share a neutral?

That won't work with AFCIs.
 
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Aledrell said:
. So there 11 ceiling fans on the system and all are fan light combo. Designer who used pencil on print for design, place the fan light on one of the system circuits and the fan motor on another circuit....... what happen when you try and put two seperate power sources (seperate phases) to a ceiling fan. The wiring in the fan "should" be independent of each other right. As anyone tried this?
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I also am not sure about using the shared neutral of the fan motor/light kit on different circuits, whether the same phase, or different phases.

I think this is a violation, but I am a little too fuzzy-headed right now to look.... :roll:
 
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Dennis Alwon said:
Celing fans should not cause problems with arc faults. I have never had a problem with it however, I was told it is not advised or not possible to put ceiling fans on the homeworks system. I cannot verify that but I remember something difficult about the system working with fans.
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I suppose next time I should read the op's question a little more closely, however if you use a dp arc fault I believe you could do this. I am still not sure about the homeworks with fans.
 
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i just installed multiple celing fans with light kits on AFCI's with no problem what so ever :)
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But I am betting each light and fan unit where on the same circuit.

In the OPs case the fan motors will be on one circuit and the light kits on another, that fact they share a neutral at the fan will be a problem.
 
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Run a 3 wire from the HW panel so you still have the N common at the lt, then run 2 wire down to SW from fan location.

That will keep the every thing correct.

You could also use HW Maestro switches at the wall location and have LV guy run HW wire to SW location and you wire fan/lt regular.

Homeworks also has wireless fan and light controls that the system can control.
 
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Not AFCI circuit.

Not AFCI circuit.

I absolutly told the AV guy that we had to use, same power source/circuit on bedroom ceiling fans. I am asking about the living rm, family rm, etc, with different phases of power to fan like he has in the design. He is using 8 wpm full of all lights and power booster because the system should be bigger. Then he want to install nine mastreo dimmers in a closet 2anf which is a fan speed mastreo control and run lv to processor and with maestro hidden, use key pads to control. Although he doesn't understand why on non arch faulted ceiling fans the motor and light need to share same power source. Again not about AFCI circuits I will not allow it, they are too touchy won't hold. Thanks for all your input, keep it coming.
 
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Use Meastros for the Fan/Lts off same ckt and you should be good. Then tell the AV guy he needs to wire accordingly.

AV guys usually have no idea how to make an electrical system work.

Good luck.
 
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