Main service from inside edge of pool

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Trying to bid a job while on vacation. The wife wouldn't let me bring my code book. Need some help here on this one. Since originally building a home, a customer has built a swimming pool in the back yard and the edge of the pool is approx. 5 feet from the main service. He wants a new panel installed with an ATS next to it fed from a generator in the garage. Do I need to relocate the new panel? Trying to send a photo. I know I will need to move the receptacle, but what's in the code about the main service?
 
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Is this being fed over head or under ground? If all the panel has is breakers/switched then you would have to be a min. 5' away as per Art,680.22(D). If it is being fed over head the conductors would have to be a min. then you need to consider Art,680.8(A) & (B) for clearances. if it is being fed under ground then Need to look @ Art,680.10 & maintane a min. 5' from th eedge of the pool & needs to be in a completed pipe if it has to be less then 5' where space limitations are a problem.
 
I don't know if you can bring up the thumbnail photo that I included, but if not, the service is overhead but not from directly above. It has so many add ons over the years it would be a booger to move this one. Also, my problem is no code book. I can't look up 680 so that's why I'm hoping someone can read for me. Sorry about that. Let me know if you can see the photo. It pretty much tells the story. And on the wall to the right is where he wants to put a transfer switch.
 
The mast to the right of the picture looks pretty bad.

There seems to be a water spiget below the panel?

I know the picture may not show a great angle, but the panel looks closer than 5 feet to me.........
If it is not closer than 5ft, and the subpanel is to be to the right of it, I see no code violation in regards to the electric, except what I mentioned above.
 
Dave,

I don't recall seeing any exceptions for jobs that may be difficult, also, I don't see any

'overhead' in the photo that needs to be relocated.
 
I was able to open the thumbnail. I did not open it the last time. I would say that as per the Articels I wrote about before, Art,680.8(A) & (B)/Table 680.8 - The over head conductors even though they do not go over the pool need to be a min. of 10' (as per the NEC hand book as too prevent the Alum. handels from skimmers to come in contact with the service conductors). & the Communication Systems also need to be a min. of 10' above the pool water line. As far as the Switches in the panel it would be OK as long as they are a min. of 5' from the edge of the pool as per. Art,680.22(D).

Hope his helps.
 
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I was able to open the thumbnail. I did not open it the last time. I would say that as per the Articels I wrote about before, Art,680.8(A) & (B)/Table 680.8 - The over head conductors even though they do not go over the pool need to be a min. of 10' (as per the NEC hand book as too prevent the Alum. handels from skimmers to come in contact with the service conductors). & the Communication Systems also need to be a min. of 10' above the pool water line. As far as the Switches in the panel it would be OK as long as they are a min. of 5' from the edge of the pool as per. Art,680.22(D).

Hope his helps.
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Do you consider these to be under 90.2(B)(4) & (5) ?
 
I would say that the panel receptacle needs to be at least 6ft from the inside wall of the pool - can't tell by the photo. 2008 680.22(A)(2) - Other Receptacles.

And it better be GFCI protected - 2008 680.22(A)(4).



Kent
 
Well, I just found out that the edge of the pool to the wall of the house is only 44", so it's definitely within the 5' minimum and will need to be moved to the right to get it at least 5' away from the inside edge of the pool. Like I said, I'm on vacation right now and don't have my NEC but if I'm reading your responses correctly, switches or overcurrent devices need to be at least 5' away.
 
Yeah, I noticed that professional installation over the window. Maybe they hang a bird feeder there or something so the kids are entertained inside the house. Well, after rereading all the posts, I realized that my original question was not very explicit. The customer wants a quote for replacing his existing service (breaker box only), plus adding a transfer switch for a generator. Sorry for not making that clear. In order to replace it and leave it in the same place I understand that it needs at least 5' clearance from the inside edge of the pool, which it is not. Now the question is, can I replace the breaker box with a junction box, not leave any openings, outlets, or switches within 5' of the pool, and install a new meter and breaker box to the right of where it is now? What's in the NEC about totally enclosed junction boxes?
 
Do you have to replace the panel?

How is the buss? Can you replace the breakers?

Can you install a new Panel and ATS to the right and make the old panel a big ole JB? Maybe with a creative way to make it WP or separated, but still accessible.
 
After a quick look through 680 I believe if your relocate the breaker box and the meter then use the existing box as a juction box, you can leave it in place.
 
What happened to the plan review and inspector on this project.....hmmm maybe that's why the relocate...but still the AHJ plan review should have caught it.
 
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