Manufactured Electrical Houses - the good, the bad and the ugly

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Natfuelbilll

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What are your thoughts and experiences, the good, the bad and the ugly, of manufactured electrical building systems. The ones that come with equipment installed and pre-wired ...

My new projects are generally grassroots at 480V with plenty of MCC lineups.

Note that there are competing alternatives using building spaces (office/garage/warehouse) that can be used for installing the electrical equipment.
 

petersonra

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got to be much less expensive than doing on site.

and has the potential for a much higher level of quality.

what really happens is anyone's guess.
 

hillbilly1

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You have to be careful troublshooting those, I have found that one manufacture of these, brings the line into the bottom of the contactors and load out the top, to save wire, not that there's any code that I know of requiring it the other way, but you have to be careful when checking those. I have also found that some have faulty engineering, such as having two seperate relays controlling a latching lighting contactor. I have found many a melted down contactor when one relay contact sticks closed, then the other relay is energized, beating the contactor to death.
 

iaov

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I've got some pictires some place of wiring above a cieling in a manufactured home. A rats nest put together by spastic rats best describes it.
 

izak

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Targets definitely have prefab electrical rooms.

Hill-Phoenix made the ones I was in. they were pretty cool, I agree with the part someone said about a greater likelyhood of quality workmanship.

first day on the job - Boss says... take the top off that electrical room and start running pipes out of it. dont forget to put the top back on before the end of the day.

(it was raining)
 
What are your thoughts and experiences, the good, the bad and the ugly, of manufactured electrical building systems. The ones that come with equipment installed and pre-wired ...

My new projects are generally grassroots at 480V with plenty of MCC lineups.

Note that there are competing alternatives using building spaces (office/garage/warehouse) that can be used for installing the electrical equipment.

I put in a good number of them, full with LV and MV switchegars, MCC's and MV staters, raised floor DCS rackrooms, etc.

No roof entry or penetration to prevent leaks. (When it is large enough so that you have to ship them in sections watch out how the seam is done.)
My requirements are call for elevated buildings, put them on 4/6 columns and have the distribution transformers underneath.

N+1 wall mounted HVAC units with centralized control, integrated fire detection and alarm. Keep it slightly pressurized to keep dust out.
Cable tray distribution.

Building fabricators like to use wireways at the top perimeters and throw all the wiring there. I don't allow this but ask them to use a perimeter tray to make additions and interwiring more flexible. (Have you unbolted 60' wireway to add a circuit?)

Pay attention to the paintjob quality and patch up after placement. (UV protection is a must in the spec. We have a building that is 'chalking'.) Precoated panels, folded panels seals, how continuity of the coating is assured of the precoated panels after fabrication, etc. Ask lot of questions....

Allow for equipment removal by oversized doors or removable panels.

Watch out for the panel construction, minimum gauge size for rigidity, support member locations in the wall where you can field-mount additional equipment. Floor loading and penetration locations, load bearing reinforcment where heavy equipment may be located, like battery racks.

Provide cable transits for all - including future - wire penetrations through the walls and floor. (It is difficult to add more in the future.)
 

sgr1

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I have done a couple of these prefabs. Their OK but I would rather do my own more money for me. The only problem we had one where the line side neutral came loose during shipment or never got tightened. Unfortunately we didn't find out till the gear was hot. It was a real pain to get to with the gear hot. So it would be a good idea to re-torque everything.
 

K8MHZ

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I just finished up a job where a pre-fab electrical room was used to house the refrigeration controls and compressors for half of a fairly large store. The company was PCX and the quality of the work was poor to say the least. The roof leaked so bad it filled up one of our panels with water. There was no heat in the room because some moron at PCX put a 24 volt relay in a 120 volt system and it went 'poof!' Breakers were labeled wrong...not just small ones, 100 and 250 amp three phase! The pipe runs were grotesque. What paperwork we did get with the unit was so wrong it was laughable.

There was more, that is just the stuff that comes to mind.

My partner worked for a different company that used to build similar rooms and he said that there would be no way such crappy work would have been allowed there so I guess there is a great variety of quality available when it comes to pre-fab electrical rooms.

I have worked in some pre-fab homes that looked just like they were built on site.
 
I just finished up a job where a pre-fab electrical room was used to house the refrigeration controls and compressors for half of a fairly large store. The company was PCX and the quality of the work was poor to say the least. The roof leaked so bad it filled up one of our panels with water. There was no heat in the room because some moron at PCX put a 24 volt relay in a 120 volt system and it went 'poof!' Breakers were labeled wrong...not just small ones, 100 and 250 amp three phase! The pipe runs were grotesque. What paperwork we did get with the unit was so wrong it was laughable.

There was more, that is just the stuff that comes to mind.

My partner worked for a different company that used to build similar rooms and he said that there would be no way such crappy work would have been allowed there so I guess there is a great variety of quality available when it comes to pre-fab electrical rooms.

I have worked in some pre-fab homes that looked just like they were built on site.

Perhaps I forgot to mention one of the most important factor in selecting such suppliers. (Forgt, since this is elementary.) The building supplier should be a qualified elctrical panel shop, familar not only panels but LV and MV gears, etc. Powell - for example - manufacturer their own gear. Some years ago they refused to bid on houses that would require them to use supplied gear, alas it is no longer so. Even if you buy analyzer houses from the analytical equipment supplier they are poorly built because the analyzer manufacturer has skills to coordinate electrical, HVAC and other skills that they choose a building builder.
UL certified panels shop is an indicator. Conversely, if you are planning for a compressor house with electrical gear at an electrical building house, make SURE that the mechanical part is done by either qualified inhouse people or a qualified subcontractor. (The compressor manufacturer will more than glad to aid you.)
 

qcroanoke

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Roanoke, VA.
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Sorta retired........
Perhaps I forgot to mention one of the most important factor in selecting such suppliers. (Forgt, since this is elementary.) The building supplier should be a qualified elctrical panel shop, familar not only panels but LV and MV gears, etc. Powell - for example - manufacturer their own gear. Some years ago they refused to bid on houses that would require them to use supplied gear, alas it is no longer so. Even if you buy analyzer houses from the analytical equipment supplier they are poorly built because the analyzer manufacturer has skills to coordinate electrical, HVAC and other skills that they choose a building builder.
UL certified panels shop is an indicator. Conversely, if you are planning for a compressor house with electrical gear at an electrical building house, make SURE that the mechanical part is done by either qualified inhouse people or a qualified subcontractor. (The compressor manufacturer will more than glad to aid you.)


This is a link to the company I work for. We manufacture prefab structures for several
different industries.
Moderators: If this has to be deleted because it can be seen as a solicitation. I will completely understand.

www.vfpinc.com
 

Natfuelbilll

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My requirements are call for elevated buildings, put them on 4/6 columns and have the distribution transformers underneath....


I am grateful for your willingness to share experiences - Thank You.

Is the elevation four foot six inches? How does that help?

Do you keep the transformers underneath to limit heat inside the enclosure?
 
I am grateful for your willingness to share experiences - Thank You.

Is the elevation four foot six inches? How does that help?

That would be either 4 or 6 columns. Sometimes it is 9. The elevation is 10'-15' above grade.

Do you keep the transformers underneath to limit heat inside the enclosure?

I am talking about liquid filled distribution transformers 1-10mVA range. It saves real estate and keeps the switchgear out of flood range. Small, utility type transformers of1`5-75kVA range I usually just hang under the building, and yes, to save the extra air-conditioning cost.
 

qcroanoke

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Roanoke, VA.
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Sorta retired........
Sorry, but this is the type company I would closely scrutinize for things involving any serious electrical work.:confused:

Not a problem.
If I seen your name on the request for quote form I would tell them to shred it.
 
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Not a problem.
If I seen your name on the request for quote form I would tell them to shred it.

Ahhh, another Company with Government stimulus funding....don't have to earn their money in a competitive market.:smile:

The company would not get an inquiry before they are audited. Certainly, if you feel that your Company is not technically qualified, that would be the right decision.
 
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