Master electrician ?

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Is master electrician Responsible for journeyman?s work? Kind of like a general contractor is hired by home owner to build home, and he sub contracts electricians, brick layers and, drywallers. If any of these do not get job done correctly or on time it is up to general contractor to correct problem. If journeyman electrician violates code then is master electrician reasonable to make sure it is corrected?

[ March 16, 2005, 07:18 PM: Message edited by: electricaldoc ]
 
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The journeyman is responsible for himself, the master is responsible for himself and the journeyman. And in some cases, the journeyman is responsible for the master.

Trust me, no one is free from being named in a lawsuit. Even first year helpers can be put on the stand and be required to defend their actions.

[ March 16, 2005, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: bphgravity ]
 
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In lawsuits they go after everyone.They might even sue the poco or the electricians mom because she raised him to become and electrician.Far as i know they wont sue your dog but thats about it
 
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Originally posted by electricaldoc: Is master electrician Responsible for journeyman?s work?
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To give you an answer, I would have to know the employment relationship between the two people. In my arena, as a licensed PE "in responsible charge" of a project, if one of my junior engineers makes an error, I would definitely be held responsible. But that is part of our employment relationship. I would be that person's supervisor, and I would be the one who presents the completed project to the client. Does it work that way between a Master and a Journeyman?
 
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Originally posted by charlie b:
Originally posted by electricaldoc: Is master electrician Responsible for journeyman?s work?
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To give you an answer, I would have to know the employment relationship between the two people. In my arena, as a licensed PE "in responsible charge" of a project, if one of my junior engineers makes an error, I would definitely be held responsible. But that is part of our employment relationship. I would be that person's supervisor, and I would be the one who presents the completed project to the client. Does it work that way between a Master and a Journeyman?
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FRom what I am being told and understand. It is that here a jman can do rewires, or work for cotracto with master, but jman can not bid on full new contract job with out a Master electrician. basicaly a jman can do project work for home owners, but for an electrical contractor to put in bid on a contract job they must employee at leas one master electricain.
This is what I have had explained to me for Indiana. If anyone knows I am wrong than forgive my error and please correct me.
 
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Massachusetts law.... "No person, firm, or corporation holding a certificate A (Master), or certificate C (Fire warning, security} shall be liable for work done by his or it's employees, unless it appears that such work was done with his or it's knowledge or consent or by his or it's authorization."
 
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To: peter d, I am puzzled by your comment, "is their such a thing as a Master Electrician". I personally would like for you to explain why you would make this comment.
I am an instructor, who is teaching electricians to take the Masters Exam, and believe me, the group of men that I am teaching are hard-working, dedicated to their profession and studying hard to become a "Master Electrician" and get their license stating so.
 
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Originally posted by friebel:
To: peter d, I am puzzled by your comment, "is their such a thing as a Master Electrician". I personally would like for you to explain why you would make this comment.
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Sure. It's simple: I don't think there is such a thing as a "master electrician." There is simply too much to know and do to ever call yourself a "master" in this trade. Furthermore, I have worked for a few who had that title who were far from mastery of anything.

Here in Connecticut, we don't use the term "master electrician" as it relates to licensing. Instead of "master electrician" exam, it's simply "E2- Electrical Contractor." I'm not saying we are any better here, but I have gotten used to the terminology and I think it's more appropriate than "master electrician."
 
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Master is indicative of a skill level that has been achieved. It goes back thousands of years in tradition to where a skilled trade took in youngsters to apprentice that trade. When their skill reached a level of competancy where they could work mostly unsupervised they were called a journeyman which meant they could travel to other towns and work in their trade under the supervision of a master in their trade. When a journeyman had reached a level of proficiency in all aspects of his trade he would be deemed a master craftsman and supervise journeymen and teach apprentices. The US Dept of Labor equates a master tradesman with the knowledge and experience of a master's degree in academia. It's not a perfect system but it's worked pretty well for centuries. The title of Master Electrician doesn't mean you know it all, but it should mean you have mastered all of the aspects of the trade and know where to go outside of your own personal knowledge to solve a problem within the trade. In some areas of my state you have to hold a "Master's" license to get a "Supervisor's" stamp to run an electrical contracting crew. That's probably the same as your "E-2 Electrical Contractor" designator. What else would you suggest for a title for this position? Grand Electrical Poo-bah sounds pretty impressive, don't you think?
 
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Grasshopper,walk on the rice paper.He was a master.The head guy on a plantation was a master.I have met quote,unquote and had a masters license that were useless they passed the test but when it came to applying it they were a bull in a china shop.We are electricians from green to helper to leadmen/mechanic.Call them what you like qualified is the best choice as far as I am concerned.There are many fine ELECTRICIANS that frequent this site and I for one am gratefull this is here.32 years later and I learn every day from this site everyday :D Post a question and you will get a qualified response sometimes conflicting but in the end it will be ironed out through posts.After all if there was really a master electrician this post would be a waste of time ;) JMHO :p
 
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I make it a point to learn atleast one thing everyday. Most of which comes from this forum.
Great place to learn. I would like to add up all the years of experience this forum has.

I have 24 yrs in the trade.
 
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Bet there is over 1,000 years between us all and we still don`t know What is right,just read the posts
 
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Hey Pierre, I think you got me beat by about a year, cause I went full time into this in 1978. I just wish I could remember even 1/50 of the good stuff I learned over the years. That is why I like coming here, cause there is at least 50 of you guy's are helping me remember on a regular basis.
 
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The only stupid question are the ones we don`t ask.I agree to the fact that,i don`t remember 1/50 th of what I have learned over the years.But i try to foward as much info and knowledge to the newcomers ;) I can`t tell you how many nextell calls I get a week from employees or stopped in the parking lot in the AM asking me (Is this correct or how do I do this correctly)I am far from a code Guru ;) This forum has helped my for along time and I hope the newcommers I tell about it log in and help us help :cool:
 
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Jeez, this reads like a telethon! :)

2.8 years. Why you lookin' at me like that? :D
I can`t tell you how many nextell calls I get a week from employees or stopped in the parking lot in the AM asking me (Is this correct or how do I do this correctly)
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Feels good, though, don't it? ;)
 
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