Meter Embedded in Stone Veneer + Painting

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From the Georgia Power Company 2007 Blue Book
www.georgiapower.com/builder

9.0 METERING INSTALLATIONS AT SECONDARY DISTRIBUTION VOLTAGES
B. Mounting and Labeling of Meter Sockets and Metering Cabinets:
1. Metering equipment furnished by the Company shall be surface mounted.
 
Tony:
IF it's PSE&G....they get really upset if the line side and/or the meter pan is encased. I can't pull up the pics here at school, the link is 'unapproved', so I based this on what you said.

I had a resi that the HO had the meter & line side encased in EIFIS and PSE&G threatened to disco, but the HO pulled the 'handicap card'. He had a new service installed, but neglected to get a permit! That's another topic.

As to paint overspray...judgement call, concern is deterioration of insulation or plastics IMHO.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
The meter enclosure picture may be an issue with:
312.2(A)
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Hmmmm.... Is it on the surface anymore? Or is it semi-flush?

Either one would be OK in my area, the "New England Brickmaster" job (I remember their ad from when I was a kid...) - doesn't block access to anything, and most of it is OK to embed in concrete - why not 1/2 embedded? Might be a rot and water issue if they didn't flash it and good.

The paint... cound be better corrosion protection - depending on the paint.....
 
e57 said:
Hmmmm.... Is it on the surface anymore? Or is it semi-flush?

Either one would be OK in my area, the "New England Brickmaster" job (I remember their ad from when I was a kid...) - doesn't block access to anything, and most of it is OK to embed in concrete - why not 1/2 embedded? Might be a rot and water issue if they didn't flash it and good.

The paint... cound be better corrosion protection - depending on the paint.....
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Is the listing for the meterpan in the picture for other than surface mounting?
 
i've saw one a couple of years ago totally encased in brick, even the conduit w/ the feed from the poco. coincidentally, i've got a service call scheduled @ that very house next week, so i'll have to make sure and get a picture of it.
 
same thing happens out here in the west, the house gets stucco applied after the service is installed. Makes the rearmost KO's inacessable.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
Is the listing for the meterpan in the picture for other than surface mounting?
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IMO it is still surface mounted. The mounting means did not change because rock was installed around it.

This is no different than caulking around it, which does the same exact thing, just to a lesser degree.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
The meter enclosure picture may be an issue with:
312.2(A)
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This looks like an older meter box, so the question is was it compliant when the electrician finished his installation? And if you see it as a violation who do you tag the mason ? And are you sure there is not an air space of 1/4'' between the panel and it's "supporting surface" ? I don't think the stone is a supporting surface. :smile:


312.2 Damp, Wet, or Hazardous (Classified) Locations.(A) Damp and Wet Locations. In damp or wet locations, surface-type enclosures within the scope of this article shall be placed or equipped so as to prevent moisture or water from entering and accumulating within the cabinet or cutout box, and shall be mounted so there is at least 6-mm (?-in.) airspace between the enclosure and the wall or other supporting surface. Enclosures installed in wet locations shall be weatherproof. For enclosures in wet locations, raceways or cables entering above the level of uninsulated live parts shall use fittings listed for wet locations.
 
The Rock is all removable Double sided velcro and deck screws so I am ok with it. The aluminum siding is an electrocution waiting to happen in my opinion the electrician should have been caned upon inspection.
 
quogueelectric said:
The aluminum siding is an electrocution waiting to happen in my opinion the electrician should have been caned upon inspection.
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I once got sent to do a remodel on a house w/ aluminum siding. First thing I was going to do was add outdoor receps mounted on the siding. When I put my drill to it, I got an arc. Meter showed 120v-to-ground on the siding. Got the boss to tell the homeowner about the problems. We refused to do anymore work before fixing the problem w/ the leak on the siding. The homeowner refused to allow us to repair it (as it was not important to them at the time. no one had been killed, yet), and sent us on our way.
 
Tony:
OK, I pulled up the pics...
I see no issues with either one of your questions, other then the absense of straps on the PVC. I may question the meter pan being secured to the sheathing, as it appears that the top may be tilted away from the wall?

I have seen worse
 
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dcspector said:
Good pics and ugly, but I do not see any NEC or POCO issues.
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The reason I have stayed out of this is that there are so many different installation practices across the nation. I have noticed that the entire meter fitting is sunk into the stucco in one of the California cities and the service entrance conduit goes up to the roof and it is completely enclosed behind the stucco. This installation would cause us to have a little grief but the homeowner would probably not even be notified that we didn't like the installation. Another electric utility may require them to change the installation or suffer a disconnection.

Bottom line: It is totally dependant on the serving electric utilities rules and regulations since this is where they plug in their cash register (meter). :cool:
 
charlie said:
The reason I have stayed out of this is that there are so many different installation practices across the nation. I have noticed that the entire meter fitting is sunk into the stucco in one of the California cities and the service entrance conduit goes up to the roof and it is completely enclosed behind the stucco. This installation would cause us to have a little grief but the homeowner would probably not even be notified that we didn't like the installation. Another electric utility may require them to change the installation or suffer a disconnection.

Bottom line: It is totally dependant on the serving electric utilities rules and regulations since this is where they plug in their cash register (meter). :cool:
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That was probably my picture.:smile:

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Thanks for the recognition :smile: :smile: :smile:
 
charlie said:
Bottom line: It is totally dependant on the serving electric utilities rules and regulations since this is where they plug in their cash register (meter). :cool:
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Charlie,

I have worked Florida, and I am from Indiana. The SE (Drop) would have to be in RMC and the weather head would have to be 3' above roof. Out here they want it ugly and exposed...No big deal, just a geographical preferance...."I just go the flow with poco".....
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
Is the listing for the meterpan in the picture for other than surface mounting?
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Not sure it says anything about semi-flush mouting in its listing - happen to have the listing on something simular to compare? The '06 White book AALZ guide doesn't seem to address it...

Otherwise a semi-flush meter pan, or meter main is just that - with a flashing. (While we don't know if there is a flashing on it?) Much like the one in the pic's acrwc10 posted.

But in this case is like California again in another way, the boarder of inside vs outside crossed the meter, not the other way around... :rolleyes:
 
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