Mike Holt can't do it, so...

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peter

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Our instructor advised us to read some of the NEC every day – perhaps while waiting for work to start. Not wanting to addle my brain with the convoluted parts, I read the index, the table of contents. One day, I read most of the page numbers. I read Appendix B. Running low of comprehensible material, I read a section at the front of the book which listed the members of the Code Making Panels and their affiliations.
And it struck me with a bolt of realization: All facets of the electrical industry are represented: contractors, manufacturers, insurance companies, professors, unions, even ABC! But there is one glaring exception. There are no apprentices on any of the panels. There must be a 100,000 of us apprentices out here. We are the aching backbone of the electrical industry. And we are not represented!
Therefore, I am forced to reluctantly forced to cast my yellow hard hat into the ring and proclaim my nomination for Apprentice Representative on the Code Making Panels. Mike Holt can’t do it because it would be a conflict of interest. Since his business is making the Code understandable, if he were on the panels, he would have to make the rules understandable which would put himself out of business.
But I am not faced with such contradictions. My campaign pledge is to clean up the Code.
I will eliminate the NEMA requirement that the edges of mud rings and boxes be razor sharp.
Since I have not been bribed yet, I will vote to ban AFCIs since they are unproven and provide a false sense of security. Same goes for occupancy sensors since they are a safety hazard. Who wants to be working on a live panel when the lights go off because the sensor decides you are working too carefully?
Table 300-5 will be changed to specify maximum burial depth. Furthermore, this distance shall be measured to the bottom of the trench. All references to two-phase systems shall be replaced with a footnote to refer the reader to previous editions of the Code since these systems are obsolete.
Section 220-19 [electric range calculation] is a sore point. Why quibble over ? of an amp when everything gets rounded off and guessed at and derated and uprated in the long run? There has to be a better way.
Following the example as laid out in the introduction to the third edition of Wastewater Engineering, I would revert back to real English units and consign those metrical units back to the parenthesis.
All references to the existence of stupid 1?” EMT and IMC will be quietly droped.
Above all, as a former member of the British Army, having attained the rank of Major, I will re-write the entire Code into plain English. I realize that that will make Mike Holt and even this wonderful forum redundant supervalous and unnecessary but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
Vote for Me
 
Let's hear it for Peter! Yeah!

In the interests of ensuring a sucessful campaign, I will be accepting contributions in the form of cash, check or charge. PM me with your credit card numbers, or mail your checks to...

George Stolz

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Some of you may recognize the P.O. box number, it is the same as the prior "Buy Allen Wayne a Codebook" fund, which was very successful, by the way. So dig deep, come out with some green, and let's make history folks!
 
Peter,
Being on a code panel is expensive...you or the institution that you represent have to pay all of the expenses.
Don
 
And you thought bribes were easy :lol: NEC is a non profit buisness that does not want to end.They will never make it easy to understand or read.If it was black and white we would not be here and Mike Holt would be out of buisness.They keep changing the rules so even after 50 years you will not know whats going on.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
Peter,
Being on a code panel is expensive...you or the institution that you represent have to pay all of the expenses.
Don
Wonder why a a manufacturer would pay to do this.Whats in it for them.Welcome to the corrupt nec set of laws.And they are finding that they must provide for FREE.
 
People who work with the tools should be on Code Panels.

Agreed! The first thing that will happen is all of the conduit tables will change to require larger sizes. :eek:

Eric
 
eric stromberg said:
The first thing that will happen is all of the conduit tables will change to require larger sizes.
Acceptable, as long as it's also required that the conduit is priced at the original-size price. :roll:
 
Wait a minute,I didn`t get the first penny from that fund raiser nor did I get a 05 NEC cd.guess until we go to the 05 code I`ll have to deal with my antique 02 cd.If anyone wants to donate to my cause and george is now my spokeman don`t send him a dime send it to me

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I will vote for you only if you promise to resolve the following eternal questions. I know you won't actually make the changes happen, but I'm willing to be satisfied by the mere promise of a politician: :lol: :lol:

1. Ground up or ground down?
2. How many receptacles can you put on a circuit?
3. Can you plug an under-counter puck light into a kitchen SA circuit receptacle?
4. Is a switch an outlet?
5. Can you put a receptacle under an 8" island overhang, so long as you have another receptacle that satisfies the "you must have one" rule?
6. Define "the universe," and give three examples.
 
allenwayne said:
Wait a minute,I didn`t get the first penny from that fund raiser nor did I get a 05 NEC cd.guess until we go to the 05 code I`ll have to deal with my antique 02 cd.If anyone wants to donate to my cause and george is now my spokeman don`t send him a dime send it to me

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Oh BTW I take cash,checks visa,american express
master card and the great ebays paypal
You mean that $100 check i sent didn't get to you ? :x
 
allenwayne said:
Wait a minute,I didn`t get the first penny from that fund raiser nor did I get a 05 NEC cd.guess until we go to the 05 code I`ll have to deal with my antique 02 cd.If anyone wants to donate to my cause and george is now my spokeman don`t send him a dime send it to me

That money went to me...here's your 2005 NEC (CD not supplied):

2005 NEC[/url]
 
6. Define "the universe," and give three examples.
A poem with one line.
Examples:
A cat's mind.
All the stars.
The limit of thought.
1. Ground up or ground down?
Unless you are very drunk, ground is usually down there somewhere.
2. How many receptacles can you put on a circuit?
You can stack a pallet load of receptacles on a circuit but it had better be SJO cord carrying the circuit.
3. Can you plug an under-counter puck light into a kitchen SA circuit receptacle?
No. The receptacle is already being used by the vacuum cleaner and a wall wart.
4. Is a switch an outlet?
Big difference. A switch is a moveable set of rails that gives a choo choo train a choice of directions. An outlet is a store that sells manufacturers seconds at reduced prices.
5. Can you put a receptacle under an 8" island overhang, so long as you have another receptacle that satisfies the "you must have one" rule?
I am able to put an ashtray, a waste can and even a slot machine under an 8" overhang.
Now I deserve your vote. Mike Holt has guaranteed all my expenses. I think I got Don on that. I'll admit that the new method of bending conduit with the wire already in it with one's foot is a little better. I've actually seen it in the library of the second most famous high school in the United States. The conduit kinked but evidently not enough to break the insulation totally.
~Peter
 
For what it's worth, Michael I. Callanan the "Labor" representative on the Technical Correlating Committee (TCC) is the Executive Director of the , National Joint Apprentice & Training Committee.

BTW Mike Holt could also be a CMP or TCC member. Several "Special Experts" are trainers too.
 
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